Hey Vikingjuice

[Listener]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060301

[Gamplayerx]

What's a wonderlic?  Is it like a chickenway?

[Listener]

What's a wonderlic?  Is it like a chickenway?

No.  It's the official intelligence test of the NFL.

[ReBurn]

What's a wonderlic?  Is it like a chickenway?

No.  It's the official intelligence test of the NFL.

And that's what?  An oxymoron?

[Mr. Ubiquity]

"On a test on which a score of 10 is deemed "literate," Young was rumored to have scored a 6. So for a couple of days, Young was subjected to the embarrassment of people questioning whether he was literally retarded"

quote from the article.  However, other than for status reasons, who cares WTF he scored on the test.  Apparently they missed the story about the autistic kid in HS who rocks at basketball.  I forget what he did, but he scored a shit load of points in a small time frame. 

Maybe they should claim he's autistic too??  Unless he sucks ass as QBing...

[VikingJuice]

There's a littany of stories out there right now.  The official position the NFL is taking is that he did score a 6/50 but they believe the test was graded improperly-the wrong answer key.  However, instead of re-grading it-which would make sense, they had him retest and he scored 16/50.  I think the 6 was legit and with different questions, the 16 was also legit.  If you average the two together, you get a person who can barely understand the word "signature" at the bottom of a pay check. 

It's actually used for many companies throughout the country to guage intellectual aptitude.  Once a company knows what it's dealing with mentally, then it can better fit that person into their overall structure.  Apparently Vince is ideally suited in the field of something besides Quarterback.  Most people may not realize this, but in today's football game, there are some positions that you honestly do have to be smart and if you're not, you'll never have lasting success in the league.

I've taken the Wonderlic, it's not too bad.  The version I took was only 15 questions and you had 5 minutes.  I scored 14/15 which translates to 47 out of 50.  I'll post more later including a sample test, and scores of players you might know the names of plus a comparison for average scores in various fields.

[VikingJuice]

The sample test:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=020228test

Some big names for you to compare from recent NFL history

Regardless of the speculation of the scores, (6 or 16), the results are not indicative of a rocket scientist.  So let's look back at NFL Quarterbacks that have excellent Wonderlic scores.  Ryan Leaf scored a 27.  Wow, that's impressive, he obviously knew that September was the 9th month of the year.  Eric Crouch (24), Kyle Boller (27), Joey Harrington (32), and Craig Krenzel (38) all outperformed Vince Young on the Wonderlic test.  The most intriguing member of this list is Joey Harrington.  If this guy is so intelligent, how can he not produce better results, with all the Lion's offensive weapons?

On the flip side, Randall Cunningham (15), Daunte Culpepper (15), and Donovan McNabb (16) didn't fair that well on the test, but seem to be have played in the league with some success.  These QB's all have 1 thing in common and that's their ability to scramble and gain yards with their feet as well as their hands.  Maybe it's a coincidence their scores are all similar.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that when 11 guys are trying to tackle you, you need to run as fast as you can.

Comparisons of averages scores by position and then by some common job fields for the rest of us:

Offensive tackles: 26
Centers: 25
Quarterbacks: 24
Guards: 23
Tight Ends: 22
Safeties: 19
Middle linebackers: 19
Cornerbacks: 18
Wide receivers: 17
Fullbacks: 17
Halfbacks: 16

The average scores in other professions look like this:

Chemist: 31
Programmer: 29
Newswriter: 26
Sales: 24
Bank teller: 22
Clerical Worker: 21
Security Guard: 17
Warehouse: 15

Past, present and soon to be NFLer's and their scores:
http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm

[VikingJuice]

And the all time lowest score that I can find is a 2/50 by some backup defensive back in this year's draft.  2!!!!!!  Ouch BABE!!

[Mr. Ubiquity]

See, they should have tested Tyson before he became champ  when a champ, and now that hes a chump.  he probably score so low he couldnt figure how to pick up the pencil, but he was viscious when he was at his prime, so the test woudl be a failure to judge his skill.

HOWEVER,  those tests are pure status.  I know of people who do NOT have a college degree who can walk circles around those who do.  So a degree isnt an indicator if intelligence, its an indicator that you can follow through with a long term goal.  Throwing a football  accurately isnt effected by thinking that September is the 10th month.

[Gamplayerx]

I got 'em all right.  Guess I should go out for football!

[VikingJuice]

I got 'em all right.  Guess I should go out for football!

Go GAMP!!  You're a number one pick come April!!  Get ready for the cash to flow in....

[Jessie]

I got them all right except the one about the type size, because I didn't feel like figuring it out, so I didn't even try.

I guess I'd be like a second round draft pick.