Brokeback Mountain

[dazie]

I liked it.  It was good.  I cried. 

More later, dinner time.

[BigDun]

I hear it's a real tear jerker.

[Infobahn]

I hear it is a real ball jerker.

[dazie]

I hear it is a real ball jerker.

It's very good.  Quite touching, and I'm trying to figure out how to write it up.  What surprised me though, is that the guy behind me seemed surprised at the whole thing.  WTF?  Where have you been dude??

[dazie]

OK.  I'm going to go with the technical aspects, since that's where there aren't any spoilers.

Visually amazing.  The scenery where they shot this film is fantastic, and the cinematography really matches it.  Ang Lee and his cameramen captured the grandeur of the wilderness AND the intimacy of the "smaller" scenes well.

I don't know if it was the sound system in the theatre that was lousy or the sound from the film or what, but there were times when it was very difficult to understand what the characters were saying.  Yes- Heath Ledger does mumble his way through the film, but it works for his character.

The supporting cast does very well.  I didn't recognize Randy Quaid at first, until he spoke.  I swear he put on 150lbs for this movie.  Anne Hathaway shows surprising subtlety in some of her scenes, but in others I found her pretty flat.  Ditto with the other girl who's name I forgot.  Michelle something?  There seems to be an awful lot of "stare blankly" written in to her character, and she pulls that off pretty accurately.

You all know the story, so there really isnt' anything I can say to add to that.  I do have a question to ask though, so if any of you DO see the film- let me know and we can discuss.

[ignom]

I didn't recognize Randy Quaid at first, until he spoke.  I swear he put on 150lbs for this movie.

I doubt it was "for the movie."

Anne Hathaway shows surprising subtlety in some of her scenes, but in others I found her pretty flat.

Did she get naked?

[dazie]

I didn't recognize Randy Quaid at first, until he spoke.  I swear he put on 150lbs for this movie.

I doubt it was "for the movie."

Anne Hathaway shows surprising subtlety in some of her scenes, but in others I found her pretty flat.

Did she get naked?

Partially naked.  Nice boobies.

[Infobahn]

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/theDUD3-AnneHathaway.jpg

(Probably NSFW - ignom)

[Beefy]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/08/D8F0BQI03.html

[Jessie]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/08/D8F0BQI03.html

I'd be shocked if that weren't happening, really.

I really can't wait to see that movie. 

[dazie]

I was surprised there were no protesters- I guess Fred Phelps had a funeral to go to.

[ReBurn]

It hasn't opened here, either.  I guess I'm going to have to wait for DVD.

[ReBurn]

It hasn't opened here, either.  I guess I'm going to have to wait for DVD.

Or not!  We have a foreign, fine art and indie theater here that is going to be showing it soon.  So I'll get to see it aftre all.  Right now it is playing Munich, Syriana, and The Producers.  But next up is Brokeback Mountain, Bee Season, The White Countess, Mr. Henderson Presents, and Cache.  Most of those I know nothing about.

[Beefy]

It hasn't opened here, either.  I guess I'm going to have to wait for DVD.

Or not!  We have a foreign, fine art and indie theater here that is going to be showing it soon.  So I'll get to see it aftre all.  Right now it is playing Munich, Syriana, and The Producers.  But next up is Brokeback Mountain, Bee Season, The White Countess, Mr. Henderson Presents, and Cache.  Most of those I know nothing about.

Cache is supposed to be really awesome.

[Dry then Catch]

Did Ang Lee insert any cameos from his other movies ala Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez?  IE did any medeval Chinese Cowboys fly through the air and perform martials arts against the Hulk?   

[dazie]

NOt that I saw...

[Dry then Catch]

NOt that I saw...

So did the film capture their time on the mountain, or was it one of those "going through life then flashbacks to the mountain"?  I am having trouble grasping what the basic plot is. 

[dazie]

No- it went basically from day 1.  Only 1 flashback, and that was 20 or so years later in the story.

[Beefy]

NOt that I saw...

So did the film capture their time on the mountain, or was it one of those "going through life then flashbacks to the mountain"?  I am having trouble grasping what the basic plot is. 

Tab A goes into Slot B at various times over several years.  Wives of Tab and Slot not happy.

[ReBurn]

More like Tab A and Tab E or something like that.

[Mr. Ubiquity]

Brokeback Mountain or Backdoor Mounting??  Im confused.....

[Dry then Catch]

No- it went basically from day 1.  Only 1 flashback, and that was 20 or so years later in the story.

for some reason I never thought you actually saw them on the mountain.  Like it was some mythical reference the whole time.  Thats who I would have written it. 

Has anyone see Ang Lee's The Ice Storm (socio-moral commentary on the 70s)?  I feel we have talked about this before (not to derail)

[Beefy]

Has anyone see Ang Lee's The Ice Storm (socio-moral commentary on the 70s)?  I feel we have talked about this before (not to derail)

Yes.  Depressing film.

[Dry then Catch]

Has anyone see Ang Lee's The Ice Storm (socio-moral commentary on the 70s)?  I feel we have talked about this before (not to derail)

Yes.  Depressing film.

wasn't their a depiction of children having sex?   Where was the uproar over that?  I mean iirc it was showing the destructive end of beingn extremely socially and morally libertine. 

[meredith]

can someone lay this movie out in nice ikea style?

[dazie]

can someone lay this movie out in nice ikea style?

Which movie?

[meredith]

can someone lay this movie out in nice ikea style?

Which movie?

Brokeback Mountain?  I'm trying to figure out how to put this together.  tabs, slots, i'm lost.

[dazie]

can someone lay this movie out in nice ikea style?

Which movie?

Brokeback Mountain?  I'm trying to figure out how to put this together.  tabs, slots, i'm lost.

Ah.  Boys meet boys, fall in
Go their separate ways, marry girls
Meet up later, a few times a year for 20 years or so
I cry
Movie ends

[meredith]

can someone lay this movie out in nice ikea style?

Which movie?

Brokeback Mountain?  I'm trying to figure out how to put this together.  tabs, slots, i'm lost.

Ah.  Boys meet boys, fall in
Go their separate ways, marry girls
Meet up later, a few times a year for 20 years or so
I cry
Movie ends

the joke was supposed to be about assembly instructions that are hard to understand

[dazie]

can someone lay this movie out in nice ikea style?

Which movie?

Brokeback Mountain?  I'm trying to figure out how to put this together.  tabs, slots, i'm lost.

Ah.  Boys meet boys, fall in
Go their separate ways, marry girls
Meet up later, a few times a year for 20 years or so
I cry
Movie ends

the joke was supposed to be about assembly instructions that are hard to understand

Oh.  I thought you were just dumb.

[Beefy]

Has anyone see Ang Lee's The Ice Storm (socio-moral commentary on the 70s)?  I feel we have talked about this before (not to derail)

Yes.  Depressing film.

wasn't their a depiction of children having sex?   Where was the uproar over that?  I mean iirc it was showing the destructive end of beingn extremely socially and morally libertine. 

I think the difference here is that 70's "immoral" liberals aren't held as iconic, while cowboys are.  Of course, Even Cowgirls Get the Blues didn't cause this furor because it sucked.  No one would care about Brokeback either, except apparently Ang Lee made a good movie.  And people like to go see good movies.

[ReBurn]

Has anyone see Ang Lee's The Ice Storm (socio-moral commentary on the 70s)?  I feel we have talked about this before (not to derail)

Yes.  Depressing film.

wasn't their a depiction of children having sex?   Where was the uproar over that?  I mean iirc it was showing the destructive end of beingn extremely socially and morally libertine. 

I think the difference here is that 70's "immoral" liberals aren't held as iconic, while cowboys are.  Of course, Even Cowgirls Get the Blues didn't cause this furor because it sucked.  No one would care about Brokeback either, except apparently Ang Lee made a good movie.  And people like to go see good movies.

Not if they can give you teh ghey...

[Jessie]

I watched some VH1 special about this movie last night.  Those guys really seemed to put their heart into it.  The love scenes (from what I saw)...wow.

I really want to see this movie, and soon.

[Mr. Ubiquity]

I watched some VH1 special about this movie last night.  Those guys really seemed to put their heart into it.  The love scenes (from what I saw)...wow.

I really want to see this movie, and soon.

put more than their heart into it dear Jessie.

[nishi]

I watched some VH1 special about this movie last night.  Those guys really seemed to put their heart into it.  The love scenes (from what I saw)...wow.

I really want to see this movie, and soon.

put more than their heart into it dear Jessie.

golly. more gay jokes.

[Mr. Ubiquity]

I watched some VH1 special about this movie last night.  Those guys really seemed to put their heart into it.  The love scenes (from what I saw)...wow.

I really want to see this movie, and soon.

put more than their heart into it dear Jessie.

golly. more gay jokes.

yep  you know.. thats how it works.  Not everyone can be as highly educated or as moral a character as others.   some people use humor, albiet crude at that, to get though their day.

[Jessie]

I think it looks like a beautiful movie.  I will cry, I can tell that already. 

I have much respect for those actors for putting themselves out there like that.

[meredith]

Two gay guys, Larry and Casey, lived together.
One day, it was really hot and Larry came home and found Casey with his ass in the freezer.
Larry exclaimed,"Casey, what the hell are you doing with your ass in the freezer?!?"
Casey replied, "It's so hot outside that I thought you would like something cool to slip into."

this concludes our public service gay joke

[dc]

I watched some VH1 special about this movie last night.  Those guys really seemed to put their heart into it.  The love scenes (from what I saw)...wow.

I really want to see this movie, and soon.

put more than their heart into it dear Jessie.

golly. more gay jokes.

yep  you know.. thats how it works.  Not everyone can be as highly educated or as moral a character as others.   some people use humor, albiet crude at that, to get though their day.

And some people use it to hide their sexual insecurities...

[nishi]

I watched some VH1 special about this movie last night.  Those guys really seemed to put their heart into it.  The love scenes (from what I saw)...wow.

I really want to see this movie, and soon.

put more than their heart into it dear Jessie.

golly. more gay jokes.

yep  you know.. thats how it works.  Not everyone can be as highly educated or as moral a character as others.   some people use humor, albiet crude at that, to get though their day.

i don't mind gay jokes. this site would collapse without gay jokes. it's the ones that tend towards the homophobic that start to get on my nerves.

[Bishamonten]

I watched some VH1 special about this movie last night.  Those guys really seemed to put their heart into it.  The love scenes (from what I saw)...wow.

I really want to see this movie, and soon.

put more than their heart into it dear Jessie.

golly. more gay jokes.

yep  you know.. thats how it works.  Not everyone can be as highly educated or as moral a character as others.   some people use humor, albiet crude at that, to get though their day.

I staked claim to this land long before you showed up pal!  Stay on your side of the fence!

[nishi]

I staked claim to this land long before you showed up pal!  Stay on your side of the fence!

glory hole?

[Bishamonten]

I staked claim to this land long before you showed up pal!  Stay on your side of the fence!

glory hole?

Sweetheart, I turn every semi-roundish opening, be it anus, mail slot or hole-in-the-middle-of-a-CD into a "glory hole". 

[nishi]

I staked claim to this land long before you showed up pal!  Stay on your side of the fence!

glory hole?

Sweetheart, I turn every semi-roundish opening, be it anus, mail slot or hole-in-the-middle-of-a-CD into a "glory hole". 

what about LPs?

[Bishamonten]

I staked claim to this land long before you showed up pal!  Stay on your side of the fence!

glory hole?

Sweetheart, I turn every semi-roundish opening, be it anus, mail slot or hole-in-the-middle-of-a-CD into a "glory hole". 

what about LPs?

1984.  June.  I call the incedent - "How I ruined dad's copy of 'Meet the Beatles'"

[Jessie]

What about life savers?  Perfect fit, no?

[Bishamonten]

What about life savers?  Perfect fit, no?

too much wiggle room

[nishi]

What about life savers?  Perfect fit, no?

too much wiggle room

however, they do have the 'chocolates on the pillow' kind of flair.

[Bennyhana]

I think that marrying someone you don't love to fit some societal norm, and then actually seeing the person you do love behind their back is a pretty shitty thing to do to the person you marry.  If they were heterosexual, I'd argue that these guys were assholes.

[Mr. Ubiquity]

I think that marrying someone you don't love to fit some societal norm, and then actually seeing the person you do love behind their back is a pretty shitty thing to do to the person you marry.  If they were heterosexual, I'd argue that these guys were assholes.

what do you call them when they are not hetero then?

[Jessie]

I think that marrying someone you don't love to fit some societal norm, and then actually seeing the person you do love behind their back is a pretty shitty thing to do to the person you marry.  If they were heterosexual, I'd argue that these guys were assholes.

I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know the story well enough to comment.

I think, though, that back then they didn't have much choice to be themselves.  I don't know that that totally makes it right, but I don't think it can be viewed by today's standards.

I'll think about it more after I've seen the movie.

[Bishamonten]

What about life savers?  Perfect fit, no?

too much wiggle room

however, they do have the 'chocolates on the pillow' kind of flair.

My penis needs not penache!

[Mr. Ubiquity]

What about life savers?  Perfect fit, no?

too much wiggle room

however, they do have the 'chocolates on the pillow' kind of flair.

My penis needs not penache!

just needs to be visible to the naked eye?

[Bishamonten]

What about life savers?  Perfect fit, no?

too much wiggle room

however, they do have the 'chocolates on the pillow' kind of flair.

My penis needs not penache!

just needs to be visible to the naked eye?

That implies a care for someone else's pleasure and an assumption that I'm a caring/sweet person...

[Mr. Ubiquity]

What about life savers?  Perfect fit, no?

too much wiggle room

however, they do have the 'chocolates on the pillow' kind of flair.

My penis needs not penache!

just needs to be visible to the naked eye?

That implies a care for someone else's pleasure and an assumption that I'm a caring/sweet person...

not really.   helps to identify ones exact gender and that the pump needs replaced if it still doesnt become visible after hours of use...

[Beefy]

I think that marrying someone you don't love to fit some societal norm, and then actually seeing the person you do love behind their back is a pretty shitty thing to do to the person you marry.  If they were heterosexual, I'd argue that these guys were assholes.

Valid point, and I heard that the film does deal with how the decisions of the men affects the lives of the women. 

In the end, nobody wins.

[DownSouth]

Were the cows gay?

[ignom]

In the end, nobody wins.

Stop making gay jokes.

[Bennyhana]

I think that marrying someone you don't love to fit some societal norm, and then actually seeing the person you do love behind their back is a pretty shitty thing to do to the person you marry.  If they were heterosexual, I'd argue that these guys were assholes.

Valid point, and I heard that the film does deal with how the decisions of the men affects the lives of the women. 

In the end, nobody wins.

I just don't think it can count as a "touching love story" if the love involved damages innocent people.  But, I guess if we can handle Ross dumping the british chick on the wedding day to get back together with Rachel, we can handle these guys cheating on their wives.

[Jessie]

I think that marrying someone you don't love to fit some societal norm, and then actually seeing the person you do love behind their back is a pretty shitty thing to do to the person you marry.  If they were heterosexual, I'd argue that these guys were assholes.

Valid point, and I heard that the film does deal with how the decisions of the men affects the lives of the women. 

In the end, nobody wins.

I just don't think it can count as a "touching love story" if the love involved damages innocent people.  But, I guess if we can handle Ross dumping the british chick on the wedding day to get back together with Rachel, we can handle these guys cheating on their wives.

I think it's a touching love story, although it is a bittersweet one.  It makes me think of (and I'll probably be tarred and feathered for this) The Bridges of Madison County.  I thought that was a great love story, even though it didn't really have a happy ending for anyone and the woman was cheating on her husband.

I don't see the actions of these two characters the same as I would a man or woman who was out cheating on their spouse just for the cheating's sake.  As I understand it, they love each other, but society won't let them. 

[Beefy]

I just don't think it can count as a "touching love story" if the love involved damages innocent people. 

I think I agree with that.  It may have been a different time, and they may have had a "forbidden" love, but that does not change that they married, and then cheated on, their wives.  If anything, people took the vows of marriage more seriously back then.

Perhaps everyone is misreading this film.  It's not a tragic love story, asking you to empathize with the cowboys.  It's really a parable of how gay/butt sex is harmful to us both as people and as a society.

[Beefy]

As I understand it, they love each other, but society won't let them. 

Even so, that shouldn't negate the vows they made to their wives.  The women deserve more respect than that.

[ignom]

I think that marrying someone you don't love to fit some societal norm, and then actually seeing the person you do love behind their back is a pretty shitty thing to do to the person you marry.  If they were heterosexual, I'd argue that these guys were assholes.

Valid point, and I heard that the film does deal with how the decisions of the men affects the lives of the women. 

In the end, nobody wins.

I just don't think it can count as a "touching love story" if the love involved damages innocent people.  But, I guess if we can handle Ross dumping the british chick on the wedding day to get back together with Rachel, we can handle these guys cheating on their wives.

Ross didn't dump Emily on their wedding day, he just accidentally said Rachel's name instead of Emily. They still got married, Emily just refused to speak to him after the wedding.

[Jessie]

I just don't think it can count as a "touching love story" if the love involved damages innocent people. 

Perhaps everyone is misreading this film.  It's not a tragic love story, asking you to empathize with the cowboys.  It's really a parable of how gay/butt sex is harmful to us both as people and as a society.

What genius!

[Jessie]

I think that marrying someone you don't love to fit some societal norm, and then actually seeing the person you do love behind their back is a pretty shitty thing to do to the person you marry.  If they were heterosexual, I'd argue that these guys were assholes.

Valid point, and I heard that the film does deal with how the decisions of the men affects the lives of the women. 

In the end, nobody wins.

I just don't think it can count as a "touching love story" if the love involved damages innocent people.  But, I guess if we can handle Ross dumping the british chick on the wedding day to get back together with Rachel, we can handle these guys cheating on their wives.

Ross didn't dump Emily on their wedding day, he just accidentally said Rachel's name instead of Emily. They still got married, Emily just refused to speak to him after the wedding.

* Jessie points and laughs at ignom

[Jessie]

As I understand it, they love each other, but society won't let them. 

Even so, that shouldn't negate the vows they made to their wives.  The women deserve more respect than that.

That's true.  I think that doesn't negate their love for each other, though.  They made bad choices because of the stigma and rules of society.  Had they gone against those rules, the likely would have paid with their lives.

Also, I haven't seen the film, but I believe that part of their marrying was them trying to deny what they felt and who they were.  I could be wrong about that part, though.

Funny that we're discussing them as if they're real.

[Bennyhana]

I think that marrying someone you don't love to fit some societal norm, and then actually seeing the person you do love behind their back is a pretty shitty thing to do to the person you marry.  If they were heterosexual, I'd argue that these guys were assholes.

Valid point, and I heard that the film does deal with how the decisions of the men affects the lives of the women. 

In the end, nobody wins.

I just don't think it can count as a "touching love story" if the love involved damages innocent people.  But, I guess if we can handle Ross dumping the british chick on the wedding day to get back together with Rachel, we can handle these guys cheating on their wives.

Ross didn't dump Emily on their wedding day, he just accidentally said Rachel's name instead of Emily. They still got married, Emily just refused to speak to him after the wedding.

Yeah that's it.  Anyway, I'm just saying that if we can accept Ross and Rachel's love, even though it hurt others, we can accept the tabs with tabs and hurt slots....or something.

[nishi]

for the record, romeo and juliet is often called a touching love story and it's a bloodbath of murder and suicide.

unless they're chikfliks, many many love stories include people being horribly hurt - either by their own actions or the actions of others. which makes them, to my mind, much more realistic. love is often messy and hurtful.

we've gotten the idea that love stories are just these pretty things, and they're not. people die, cheat, get pregnant, become miserable, go to prison, leave family behind....

you can be the protagonists of a love story and still do things that hurt other people. that makes it a more complicated and interesting love story.

[Beefy]

As I understand it, they love each other, but society won't let them. 

Even so, that shouldn't negate the vows they made to their wives.  The women deserve more respect than that.

That's true.  I think that doesn't negate their love for each other, though.  They made bad choices because of the stigma and rules of society.  Had they gone against those rules, the likely would have paid with their lives.

Also, I haven't seen the film, but I believe that part of their marrying was them trying to deny what they felt and who they were.  I could be wrong about that part, though.

Funny that we're discussing them as if they're real.

Well, these are real issues that affect our society right now, which is why this film has become such a hot topic in the first place.

They may have married because that was expected of them, but that doesn't make the wives lesser victims.

I've pondered posting this several times now and haven't, not knowing how it would turn out.  But I guess the time is right.  They did a review of the film over at CHUD a ways back and, seeing as the film is a political fireball, the reaction on their boards got a bit steamy.  This inspired one of the CHUD staffers, Devin, to lob an op.ed. piece addressing some of the criticism.  And then another one.  I was really surprised at how I ended up reacting to it all.  It's a bit of a long read, but I've found it worthwhile and thought-provoking to follow it.

The 2nd Op Ed piece is here.

The board discussion is here.

[meredith]

so next time i break someone's heart, i'll tell them i'm just making the story better.  got it.

[Bennyhana]

for the record, romeo and juliet is often called a touching love story and it's a bloodbath of murder and suicide.

unless they're chikfliks, many many love stories include people being horribly hurt - either by their own actions or the actions of others. which makes them, to my mind, much more realistic. love is often messy and hurtful.

we've gotten the idea that love stories are just these pretty things, and they're not. people die, cheat, get pregnant, become miserable, go to prison, leave family behind....

you can be the protagonists of a love story and still do things that hurt other people. that makes it a more complicated and interesting love story.

I've always taken "love story" to mean "a story which revolves around the love of a couple (or their falling in love), showing the beauty and power of love."

I kinda think that a story where it's shown that love damages so much kinda shits on the concept of love.  I was never a fan of Romeo and juliet.  I guess most love stories include someone getting hurt, but often it's the character designed for you to hate, so you don't care.

[Jessie]

I don't mean to lessen the suffering of the wives.  I'm sure that would be heartbreaking.  I just don't see these men as being full of malice.  That doesn't make them RIGHT, either.

[Beefy]

I don't mean to lessen the suffering of the wives.  I'm sure that would be heartbreaking.  I just don't see these men as being full of malice.  That doesn't make them RIGHT, either.

Gloria Steinem wants a word with you.

/stupid movie still isn't opening down here this weekend

[nishi]

for the record, romeo and juliet is often called a touching love story and it's a bloodbath of murder and suicide.

unless they're chikfliks, many many love stories include people being horribly hurt - either by their own actions or the actions of others. which makes them, to my mind, much more realistic. love is often messy and hurtful.

we've gotten the idea that love stories are just these pretty things, and they're not. people die, cheat, get pregnant, become miserable, go to prison, leave family behind....

you can be the protagonists of a love story and still do things that hurt other people. that makes it a more complicated and interesting love story.

I've always taken "love story" to mean "a story which revolves around the love of a couple (or their falling in love), showing the beauty and power of love."

I kinda think that a story where it's shown that love damages so much kinda shits on the concept of love.  I was never a fan of Romeo and juliet.  I guess most love stories include someone getting hurt, but often it's the character designed for you to hate, so you don't care.

i would agree with your definition with one exception - i would remove the word "beauty". the power of love is an astounding thing, but that doesn't mean that all outcomes are good.

i personally find romeo and juliet kind of annoying but it is a classic love story of our western literary canon. and their love, by certain definitions, would be both powerful *and* beautiful. pure.

and the "character designed for you to hate" - that's the part that i think is hollywoodish. in real life, there is no character designed for you to hate.

i think that we might be looking at the difference between fiction with something to say about people in general, and then fiction with some kind of moral lesson.

[dazie]

I REALLY want to comment on this but I'm at work and I'm a little fraz-mo-lated.  I'll add my 2 cents later.

[nishi]

I don't mean to lessen the suffering of the wives.  I'm sure that would be heartbreaking.  I just don't see these men as being full of malice.  That doesn't make them RIGHT, either.

Gloria Steinem wants a word with you.

/stupid movie still isn't opening down here this weekend

i don't think adultery is a feminist issue....

[dc]

for the record, romeo and juliet is often called a touching love story and it's a bloodbath of murder and suicide.

unless they're chikfliks, many many love stories include people being horribly hurt - either by their own actions or the actions of others. which makes them, to my mind, much more realistic. love is often messy and hurtful.

we've gotten the idea that love stories are just these pretty things, and they're not. people die, cheat, get pregnant, become miserable, go to prison, leave family behind....

you can be the protagonists of a love story and still do things that hurt other people. that makes it a more complicated and interesting love story.

I've always taken "love story" to mean "a story which revolves around the love of a couple (or their falling in love), showing the beauty and power of love."

I kinda think that a story where it's shown that love damages so much kinda shits on the concept of love.  I was never a fan of Romeo and juliet.  I guess most love stories include someone getting hurt, but often it's the character designed for you to hate, so you don't care.

i would agree with your definition with one exception - i would remove the word "beauty". the power of love is an astounding thing, but that doesn't mean that all outcomes are good.

i personally find romeo and juliet kind of annoying but it is a classic love story of our western literary canon. and their love, by certain definitions, would be both powerful *and* beautiful. pure.

and the "character designed for you to hate" - that's the part that i think is hollywoodish. in real life, there is no character designed for you to hate.

i think that we might be looking at the difference between fiction with something to say about people in general, and then fiction with some kind of moral lesson.

What's all this crap about "Romeo and Juliet"?  I thought it was one of Shakespeare's better comedies.  And getting hurt?  It didn't hurt me any.

[Beefy]

I don't mean to lessen the suffering of the wives.  I'm sure that would be heartbreaking.  I just don't see these men as being full of malice.  That doesn't make them RIGHT, either.

Gloria Steinem wants a word with you.

/stupid movie still isn't opening down here this weekend

i don't think adultery is a feminist issue....

That's because you're a misogynist. 

[nishi]

I don't mean to lessen the suffering of the wives.  I'm sure that would be heartbreaking.  I just don't see these men as being full of malice.  That doesn't make them RIGHT, either.

Gloria Steinem wants a word with you.

/stupid movie still isn't opening down here this weekend

i don't think adultery is a feminist issue....

That's because you're a misogynist. 

and a misanthrope to boot!!

[Bennyhana]

So, what we can agree on here is that the writer of Brokeback Mountain, despite the critical acclaim of the film, is no better than Shakespeare.

[dc]

So, what we can agree on here is that the writer of Brokeback Mountain, despite the critical acclaim of the film, is no better than Shakespeare.

Actually, Shakespeare was the pen name for Francis Bacon.

[Alice]

So, what we can agree on here is that the writer of Brokeback Mountain, despite the critical acclaim of the film, is no better than Shakespeare.

Actually, Shakespeare was the pen name for Francis Bacon.

Which was a pseudonym for Eugene Andeggs.

[Bennyhana]

So, what we can agree on here is that the writer of Brokeback Mountain, despite the critical acclaim of the film, is no better than Shakespeare.

Actually, Shakespeare was the pen name for Francis Bacon.

Which was a pseudonym for Eugene Andeggs.

It would be funny if he had a brother named Hamilton.

[Jessie]

So, what we can agree on here is that the writer of Brokeback Mountain, despite the critical acclaim of the film, is no better than Shakespeare.

Actually, Shakespeare was the pen name for Francis Bacon.

Which was a pseudonym for Eugene Andeggs.

It would be funny if he had a brother named Hamilton.

Mmm, Hamilton.

[Dry then Catch]

Just got back from seeing it.  (with a girl).

dazie is correct, the film is cinematically engrossing, the setting really pulls you in.  I wish we weren't in a damn old art theatre, so the sounds of the winds of the empty plains, and the crackle of boots on the ground and such were clearer.  The atmosphere is still second to the quiet and not so quiet desperation of the two gay cowboys.  The repression of homosexuality and the denial mentality is the primary issue, though the more esoteric one is how in life we may only get fleeting glimpses and occasional hurried grasps of what makes us happy. 

The only main flaw, was the aging.  Their wives seemed to age realistically (by the end Anne Hathaway seems perfect tacky, rich 70s Texas wife), but putting a mustache on Jake Gyllenhall and muttonchops on Heath Ledger hardly make them seem any older. 

dude this movie would have been way awesomer if it was like 2 chick cowboys.
no male friends can ever go fishing in Wyoming with a straight face EVER again
ZING

what do you think he meant in the last sentence at the end? 

[Jessie]

ignom and I saw this last night.

Spectacular.  This movie was so sad.  The acting was flawless.  The scenery was beautiful.  The story was heartwrenching.  The love scenes were raw and...kinda hot.

I don't think that it glossed over the plight of the wives for a second.  It very clearly showed how this affair hurt them.

I didn't see it as a glorification of any decisions or lifestyle or any of that (as my dad is convinced), but rather was simply a look at the lives of two men who were unable to be who they wanted and with who they wanted. 

Catchr, I'm not sure what he meant at the end, either.

[dazie]

Did you cry?

And yeah- raw and hot.  yow.  YOUCH!

SPOILER: 

I think Ennis meant "Jack I swear" as in "Jack I swear if you were here things would be different, but I think about you all the time and I miss you and I was a dumbass for not taking you up on your offer but now I can't change it so I can only look back and sigh"

[Jessie]

Did you cry?

And yeah- raw and hot.  yow.  YOUCH!

SPOILER: 

I think Ennis meant "Jack I swear" as in "Jack I swear if you were here things would be different, but I think about you all the time and I miss you and I was a dumbass for not taking you up on your offer but now I can't change it so I can only look back and sigh"

I think you may be right.  I just don't know.  He certainly seemed to have regrets.  What about Jack having the other boyfriend?  He seemed so heartbroken when Jack's dad told him about that.  Maybe that's when he really realized how much he had loved him.  I just don't know.  Such a sad, sad movie.

I didn't cry, but I teared up more than once. 

[dazie]

Did you cry?

And yeah- raw and hot.  yow.  YOUCH!

SPOILER: 

I think Ennis meant "Jack I swear" as in "Jack I swear if you were here things would be different, but I think about you all the time and I miss you and I was a dumbass for not taking you up on your offer but now I can't change it so I can only look back and sigh"

I think you may be right.  I just don't know.  He certainly seemed to have regrets.  What about Jack having the other boyfriend?  He seemed so heartbroken when Jack's dad told him about that.  Maybe that's when he really realized how much he had loved him.  I just don't know.  Such a sad, sad movie.

I didn't cry, but I teared up more than once. 

I had tears just GUSHING down my face when SPOILER Ennis went to Jack's parents' house and he found the shirts.  Jack's mom was so nice, it was like she really understood, and Jack's dad was so mean, bringing up the other guy and all.  I just cried and cried.

[Jessie]

Did you cry?

And yeah- raw and hot.  yow.  YOUCH!

SPOILER: 

I think Ennis meant "Jack I swear" as in "Jack I swear if you were here things would be different, but I think about you all the time and I miss you and I was a dumbass for not taking you up on your offer but now I can't change it so I can only look back and sigh"

I think you may be right.  I just don't know.  He certainly seemed to have regrets.  What about Jack having the other boyfriend?  He seemed so heartbroken when Jack's dad told him about that.  Maybe that's when he really realized how much he had loved him.  I just don't know.  Such a sad, sad movie.

I didn't cry, but I teared up more than once. 

I had tears just GUSHING down my face when SPOILER Ennis went to Jack's parents' house and he found the shirts.  Jack's mom was so nice, it was like she really understood, and Jack's dad was so mean, bringing up the other guy and all.  I just cried and cried.

Was I the only one who saw the shirt thing coming the instant that he wondered how he'd left it on the mountain?

[dazie]

Did you cry?

And yeah- raw and hot.  yow.  YOUCH!

SPOILER: 

I think Ennis meant "Jack I swear" as in "Jack I swear if you were here things would be different, but I think about you all the time and I miss you and I was a dumbass for not taking you up on your offer but now I can't change it so I can only look back and sigh"

I think you may be right.  I just don't know.  He certainly seemed to have regrets.  What about Jack having the other boyfriend?  He seemed so heartbroken when Jack's dad told him about that.  Maybe that's when he really realized how much he had loved him.  I just don't know.  Such a sad, sad movie.

I didn't cry, but I teared up more than once. 

I had tears just GUSHING down my face when SPOILER Ennis went to Jack's parents' house and he found the shirts.  Jack's mom was so nice, it was like she really understood, and Jack's dad was so mean, bringing up the other guy and all.  I just cried and cried.

Was I the only one who saw the shirt thing coming the instant that he wondered how he'd left it on the mountain?

No- you weren't.  *grin*

[Jessie]

Did you cry?

And yeah- raw and hot.  yow.  YOUCH!

SPOILER: 

I think Ennis meant "Jack I swear" as in "Jack I swear if you were here things would be different, but I think about you all the time and I miss you and I was a dumbass for not taking you up on your offer but now I can't change it so I can only look back and sigh"

I think you may be right.  I just don't know.  He certainly seemed to have regrets.  What about Jack having the other boyfriend?  He seemed so heartbroken when Jack's dad told him about that.  Maybe that's when he really realized how much he had loved him.  I just don't know.  Such a sad, sad movie.

I didn't cry, but I teared up more than once. 

I had tears just GUSHING down my face when SPOILER Ennis went to Jack's parents' house and he found the shirts.  Jack's mom was so nice, it was like she really understood, and Jack's dad was so mean, bringing up the other guy and all.  I just cried and cried.

Was I the only one who saw the shirt thing coming the instant that he wondered how he'd left it on the mountain?

No- you weren't.  *grin*

Just checking.  Jason said he didn't pick up on it and it was just...obvious to me. 

[dazie]

Did you cry?

And yeah- raw and hot.  yow.  YOUCH!

SPOILER: 

I think Ennis meant "Jack I swear" as in "Jack I swear if you were here things would be different, but I think about you all the time and I miss you and I was a dumbass for not taking you up on your offer but now I can't change it so I can only look back and sigh"

I think you may be right.  I just don't know.  He certainly seemed to have regrets.  What about Jack having the other boyfriend?  He seemed so heartbroken when Jack's dad told him about that.  Maybe that's when he really realized how much he had loved him.  I just don't know.  Such a sad, sad movie.

I didn't cry, but I teared up more than once. 

I had tears just GUSHING down my face when SPOILER Ennis went to Jack's parents' house and he found the shirts.  Jack's mom was so nice, it was like she really understood, and Jack's dad was so mean, bringing up the other guy and all.  I just cried and cried.

Was I the only one who saw the shirt thing coming the instant that he wondered how he'd left it on the mountain?

No- you weren't.  *grin*

Just checking.  Jason said he didn't pick up on it and it was just...obvious to me. 

That's cuz he's a guy!  Leaving something laying about like that isn't too unusual!  *lol*

[Jessie]

I wonder if there's any way to read the short story without subscribing to The New Yorker online.  I can't seem to find it anywhere else.

[Dry then Catch]

why didn't they move to somewhere they could be accepted like San Francisco or something.

[dazie]

why didn't they move to somewhere they could be accepted like San Francisco or something.

Difficult to ranch in SF.

[Infobahn]

why didn't they move to somewhere they could be accepted like San Francisco or something.

Difficult to ranch in SF.

They have a Cow Palace in SF, don't they? Can't be that hard if they are royalty.

[Dry then Catch]

why didn't they move to somewhere they could be accepted like San Francisco or something.

Difficult to ranch in SF.

Jack Twist had plenty of tractor money.  He would have invested it in some sort of low-yield and high long term growth fund, while Ennis worked as a longshoreman.  They would get a small loft in Hayes Valley.  Brunch every first Sunday of the month.

Well thats what I would do if I had  a gay cowboy lover I longed for. 

[dazie]

why didn't they move to somewhere they could be accepted like San Francisco or something.

Difficult to ranch in SF.

Jack Twist had plenty of tractor money.  He would have invested it in some sort of low-yield and high long term growth fund, while Ennis worked as a longshoreman.  They would get a small loft in Hayes Valley.  Brunch every first Sunday of the month.

Well thats what I would do if I had  a gay cowboy lover I longed for. 

They could live next to Christo and George.  Nice neighborhood.  Yup.

Catchr- question...  SPOILER When Ennis is on the phone with Lureen, and she's telling how Jack died, there was that flash of him getting the crap kicked out of him.  Do you think that is what really happened or is that just what Ennis was afraid happened?

[Dry then Catch]

Good question, I initially wondered that myself as well.  I'm pretty sure now that it is what really happened.  There is no precedent in the movie for a POV "imagination scene", the only other flashback was true reality.  It is obvious he met an untimely end (from Lureen's stilted conversation and I hear it is told outright in the short story), so why would they live it ambigious? 

[Jessie]

Good question, I initially wondered that myself as well.  I'm pretty sure now that it is what really happened.  There is no precedent in the movie for a POV "imagination scene", the only other flashback was true reality.  It is obvious he met an untimely end (from Lureen's stilted conversation and I hear it is told outright in the short story), so why would they live it ambigious? 

I need to find a copy of that short story.  I figured the answer would be clearer there.

[dazie]

Good question, I initially wondered that myself as well.  I'm pretty sure now that it is what really happened.  There is no precedent in the movie for a POV "imagination scene", the only other flashback was true reality.  It is obvious he met an untimely end (from Lureen's stilted conversation and I hear it is told outright in the short story), so why would they live it ambigious? 

In the book it's pretty ambiguous too from the quote I read.  I'll see if I can find it on iMDB, although that is such a troll feed I'm not sure I want to go there.

[Jessie]

From IMDB:  Heath Ledger has a nude scene in which he jumps into a lake. The director intends to edit any actual frontal nudity out of the film, but a paparazzo took photos of Ledger with a digital camera. The photos have appeared on the Internet and in some press publications.

I totally saw his junk when he jumped off that cliff.

[dazie]

From IMDB:  Heath Ledger has a nude scene in which he jumps into a lake. The director intends to edit any actual frontal nudity out of the film, but a paparazzo took photos of Ledger with a digital camera. The photos have appeared on the Internet and in some press publications.

I totally saw his junk when he jumped off that cliff.

yeah.    Me too.

[dazie]

Also from iMDB (spoilers within)

SPOILER: Ang Lee recounted in several interviews that when Michelle Williams needed to film a scene in which her character is devastated to discover that her husband is involved with another man, she asked Heath Ledger (her off-screen, as well as on-screen, love interest) and Jake Gyllenhaal to stand off camera and make out for her benefit. Ledger and Gyllenhaal agreed, and when she thought their kissing was not involved enough, she asked them to intensify it.

I want THAT job. 

[Jessie]

From IMDB:  Heath Ledger has a nude scene in which he jumps into a lake. The director intends to edit any actual frontal nudity out of the film, but a paparazzo took photos of Ledger with a digital camera. The photos have appeared on the Internet and in some press publications.

I totally saw his junk when he jumped off that cliff.

yeah.    Me too.

I wonder if it was the angle, or if he's really that much more endowed than Jake.

[Jessie]

Also from iMDB (spoilers within)

SPOILER: Ang Lee recounted in several interviews that when Michelle Williams needed to film a scene in which her character is devastated to discover that her husband is involved with another man, she asked Heath Ledger (her off-screen, as well as on-screen, love interest) and Jake Gyllenhaal to stand off camera and make out for her benefit. Ledger and Gyllenhaal agreed, and when she thought their kissing was not involved enough, she asked them to intensify it.

I want THAT job. 

Hah!  I read that, too.  I think maybe she liked it.

[dazie]

From IMDB:  Heath Ledger has a nude scene in which he jumps into a lake. The director intends to edit any actual frontal nudity out of the film, but a paparazzo took photos of Ledger with a digital camera. The photos have appeared on the Internet and in some press publications.

I totally saw his junk when he jumped off that cliff.

yeah.    Me too.

I wonder if it was the angle, or if he's really that much more endowed than Jake.

I think this requires more investigation.

[Jessie]

From IMDB:  Heath Ledger has a nude scene in which he jumps into a lake. The director intends to edit any actual frontal nudity out of the film, but a paparazzo took photos of Ledger with a digital camera. The photos have appeared on the Internet and in some press publications.

I totally saw his junk when he jumped off that cliff.

yeah.    Me too.

I wonder if it was the angle, or if he's really that much more endowed than Jake.

I think this requires more investigation.

We should write them and ask for comparison pics.

[meredith]

From IMDB:  Heath Ledger has a nude scene in which he jumps into a lake. The director intends to edit any actual frontal nudity out of the film, but a paparazzo took photos of Ledger with a digital camera. The photos have appeared on the Internet and in some press publications.

I totally saw his junk when he jumped off that cliff.

yeah.    Me too.

I wonder if it was the angle, or if he's really that much more endowed than Jake.

I think this requires more investigation.

We should write them and ask for comparison pics.

Can't you tell by which one walks funnier when they come home?

[DownSouth]

I guess cowboys butts drive them nuts.  I'll probably never see this movie.  Not because of the gay part.  I just hate romantic dramas.

[Jessie]

I don't know if romantic drama is right.  It's more of a tragedy, I think.

[DownSouth]

Even worse.  I'll stick with comedy or action.

[dazie]

From IMDB:  Heath Ledger has a nude scene in which he jumps into a lake. The director intends to edit any actual frontal nudity out of the film, but a paparazzo took photos of Ledger with a digital camera. The photos have appeared on the Internet and in some press publications.

I totally saw his junk when he jumped off that cliff.

yeah.    Me too.

I wonder if it was the angle, or if he's really that much more endowed than Jake.

I think this requires more investigation.

We should write them and ask for comparison pics.

Can't you tell by which one walks funnier when they come home?

Hah!  That's what I was thinking "the morning after" when you see them.  "Hey- neither is walking funny!"

[Jessie]

NSFW and not particularly flattering.

http://tbiet.tooblog.fr/images/brokeback_mountain_01.jpg

[dazie]

That looks like Heath Ledger, but not the other guy.

[Jessie]

That looks like Heath Ledger, but not the other guy.

Probably a body double.

[SockmonkeyHolocaust]

NSFW and not particularly flattering.

http://tbiet.tooblog.fr/images/brokeback_mountain_01.jpg

He's probably a grower.

[Jessie]

NSFW and not particularly flattering.

http://tbiet.tooblog.fr/images/brokeback_mountain_01.jpg

He's probably a grower.

I sure hope so.

It looked bigger than that once he jumped.

[meredith]

NSFW and not particularly flattering.

http://tbiet.tooblog.fr/images/brokeback_mountain_01.jpg

He's probably a grower.

I sure hope so.

It looked bigger than that once he jumped.

Some guys are excited by DANGER.

[eo000]

[Jessie]

That's great.

[Dry then Catch]

That looks like Heath Ledger, but not the other guy.

Just call him Donnie Darko.  That's what he'll always be to me.  Not Jarhead or bubbleboy, moonlight mile kid.


Peyton Manning's after game quotes sounded like Ennis

[dazie]

That looks like Heath Ledger, but not the other guy.

Just call him Donnie Darko.  That's what he'll always be to me.  Not Jarhead or bubbleboy, moonlight mile kid.


Peyton Manning's after game quotes sounded like Ennis

He'll always be Billy Crystal's son to me...  (City Slickers)

[ReBurn]

That's great.

haha

[sapphirehart]

Is this the thread where I can admit that I stumbled across some gay porn the other night and got turned on?  No? nevermind...forget I said anything.

[ReBurn]

Sorry.  I can't forget a thing like that.

[Beefy]

It's FINALLY opening here tomorrow.

[cnamon]

I STILL have to either go to VA (shudder) or to the Fruit Loop to go see it.

[swolt]

Is this the thread where I can admit that I stumbled across some gay porn the other night and got turned on?  No? nevermind...forget I said anything.

gay as in guy on guy or girl on girl?

and by turned on, do you mean you said "oh that is nice" or did you get all hot, turn the lights down, oil yourself up, grab a popsickle and a onion and go to town?

[Beefy]

Is this the thread where I can admit that I stumbled across some gay porn the other night and got turned on?  No? nevermind...forget I said anything.

gay as in guy on guy or girl on girl?

and by turned on, do you mean you said "oh that is nice" or did you get all hot, turn the lights down, oil yourself up, grab a popsickle and a onion and go to town?

Apparently, my mind can process all of that except the onion.

[cnamon]

Speaking of gay, do you still have Guys Gone Wild, swolt?

[swolt]

Speaking of gay, do you still have Guys Gone Wild, swolt?

funny story with that ...

Jared got grounded and couldn't see his girlfriend for two months (they got caught doing naugty things). He took the Guys Gone Wild DVD and put it in his booksack and left it where he know mom would find it. She found it and pulled it out and when she asked him about it, he said "you won't let me see Catie, I figued I'd go the other way."
My dad thought it was so funny he got ungrounded a few weeks early.

[ReBurn]

Speaking of gay, do you still have Guys Gone Wild, swolt?

funny story with that ...

Jared got grounded and couldn't see his girlfriend for two months (they got caught doing naugty things). He took the Guys Gone Wild DVD and put it in his booksack and left it where he know mom would find it. She found it and pulled it out and when she asked him about it, he said "you won't let me see Catie, I figued I'd go the other way."
My dad thought it was so funny he got ungrounded a few weeks early.

But you didn't answer the question...

[swolt]

Speaking of gay, do you still have Guys Gone Wild, swolt?

funny story with that ...

Jared got grounded and couldn't see his girlfriend for two months (they got caught doing naugty things). He took the Guys Gone Wild DVD and put it in his booksack and left it where he know mom would find it. She found it and pulled it out and when she asked him about it, he said "you won't let me see Catie, I figued I'd go the other way."
My dad thought it was so funny he got ungrounded a few weeks early.

But you didn't answer the question...

no I don't have it. I don't know what mom did with it. i want to think she threw it away, but who knows.

[Bishamonten]

Speaking of gay, do you still have Guys Gone Wild, swolt?

funny story with that ...

Jared got grounded and couldn't see his girlfriend for two months (they got caught doing naugty things). He took the Guys Gone Wild DVD and put it in his booksack and left it where he know mom would find it. She found it and pulled it out and when she asked him about it, he said "you won't let me see Catie, I figued I'd go the other way."
My dad thought it was so funny he got ungrounded a few weeks early.

But you didn't answer the question...

Your garbage man is probably gay by now.

[sapphirehart]

Is this the thread where I can admit that I stumbled across some gay porn the other night and got turned on?  No? nevermind...forget I said anything.

gay as in guy on guy or girl on girl?

and by turned on, do you mean you said "oh that is nice" or did you get all hot, turn the lights down, oil yourself up, grab a popsickle and a onion and go to town?

Apparently, my mind can process all of that except the onion.

okay, I thought I was well educated but you stumped me with the onion.

[Jessie]

Is this the thread where I can admit that I stumbled across some gay porn the other night and got turned on?  No? nevermind...forget I said anything.

gay as in guy on guy or girl on girl?

and by turned on, do you mean you said "oh that is nice" or did you get all hot, turn the lights down, oil yourself up, grab a popsickle and a onion and go to town?

Apparently, my mind can process all of that except the onion.

My mind is screaming at me.

BURNY BURNY BURNY BURNY BURNY

[swolt]

Is this the thread where I can admit that I stumbled across some gay porn the other night and got turned on?  No? nevermind...forget I said anything.

gay as in guy on guy or girl on girl?

and by turned on, do you mean you said "oh that is nice" or did you get all hot, turn the lights down, oil yourself up, grab a popsickle and a onion and go to town?

Apparently, my mind can process all of that except the onion.

okay, I thought I was well educated but you stumped me with the onion.

ok, see, I KNEW something was wrong and she INSISTED that it was normal and I was just navie!

[Jessie]

I love Dottie's avatar.

[cnamon]

I love Dottie's avatar.

All for you hon.

[ReBurn]

Is this the thread where I can admit that I stumbled across some gay porn the other night and got turned on?  No? nevermind...forget I said anything.

gay as in guy on guy or girl on girl?

and by turned on, do you mean you said "oh that is nice" or did you get all hot, turn the lights down, oil yourself up, grab a popsickle and a onion and go to town?

Apparently, my mind can process all of that except the onion.

okay, I thought I was well educated but you stumped me with the onion.

ok, see, I KNEW something was wrong and she INSISTED that it was normal and I was just navie!

You were the navy?

[Jessie]

Is this the thread where I can admit that I stumbled across some gay porn the other night and got turned on?  No? nevermind...forget I said anything.

gay as in guy on guy or girl on girl?

and by turned on, do you mean you said "oh that is nice" or did you get all hot, turn the lights down, oil yourself up, grab a popsickle and a onion and go to town?

Apparently, my mind can process all of that except the onion.

okay, I thought I was well educated but you stumped me with the onion.

ok, see, I KNEW something was wrong and she INSISTED that it was normal and I was just navie!

You were the navy?

Were the navy, serviced the navy, same difference.

[ReBurn]

Is this the thread where I can admit that I stumbled across some gay porn the other night and got turned on?  No? nevermind...forget I said anything.

gay as in guy on guy or girl on girl?

and by turned on, do you mean you said "oh that is nice" or did you get all hot, turn the lights down, oil yourself up, grab a popsickle and a onion and go to town?

Apparently, my mind can process all of that except the onion.

okay, I thought I was well educated but you stumped me with the onion.

ok, see, I KNEW something was wrong and she INSISTED that it was normal and I was just navie!

You were the navy?

Were the navy, serviced the navy, same difference.

Gives a whole new meaning to gay cowboy.  Or not.

[Jessie]

My neighbors really need to turn down their tv.  I don't understand why they have to keep it so loud.

[ReBurn]

They probably think you don't have one and they are just trying to share.  And here you are dissing them.

[Alice]

They probably think you don't have one and they are just trying to share. 

I think DS is rubbing off on you... that seems like something he would have said.

[ReBurn]

They probably think you don't have one and they are just trying to share. 

I think DS is rubbing off on you... that seems like something he would have said.

He's not rubbing ANYTHING on me.

[sapphirehart]

They probably think you don't have one and they are just trying to share.

I think DS is rubbing off on you... that seems like something he would have said.

He's not rubbing ANYTHING on me.

If you change your mind, can I watch?

[ReBurn]

They probably think you don't have one and they are just trying to share.

I think DS is rubbing off on you... that seems like something he would have said.

He's not rubbing ANYTHING on me.

If you change your mind, can I watch?

Well, the chance is still between slim and none, but if I do you'll be the first to know.

[sapphirehart]

They probably think you don't have one and they are just trying to share.

I think DS is rubbing off on you... that seems like something he would have said.

He's not rubbing ANYTHING on me.

If you change your mind, can I watch?

Well, the chance is still between slim and none, but if I do you'll be the first to know.

Yay!  can I bring my camera?

[ReBurn]

They probably think you don't have one and they are just trying to share.

I think DS is rubbing off on you... that seems like something he would have said.

He's not rubbing ANYTHING on me.

If you change your mind, can I watch?

Well, the chance is still between slim and none, but if I do you'll be the first to know.

Yay!  can I bring my camera?

It won't do you any good with the lights off.

[sapphirehart]

They probably think you don't have one and they are just trying to share.

I think DS is rubbing off on you... that seems like something he would have said.

He's not rubbing ANYTHING on me.

If you change your mind, can I watch?

Well, the chance is still between slim and none, but if I do you'll be the first to know.

Yay!  can I bring my camera?

It won't do you any good with the lights off.

If the lights are off, how am I suppose to watch?

[DownSouth]

Sounds like I'm taking a vacation to Paradise cove.

[cnamon]

Looks like Ken switched teams.

[Gamplayerx]

Looks like Ken switched teams.

I haven't seen the movie, but that's pretty amusing.  I'm picturing the seller positioning and photographing them.  And giggling.

[cnamon]

I finally saw this last night.

I cried at the end.

[dazie]

I got it from Netflix but haven't watched it yet.  I like it very much, but I don't think it was best picture worthy.  I wish it hadn't been nominated- too much fuss.