This blows I just got back from the animal hospital...
While I was in Phx with my parents and grandma (i couldn't bring the dogs as grandma is scared of dogs). My roommate called yesterday and said his eye was shut and there was goop all over it. I came back today tried to wash the eye out, and noticed his cornea was blue.
The hospital vet said that he has descemetocele, an erosion through the epithelium and stroma to the level of Descemet's membrane.
i guess im posting to see if anyone has had a dog with that issue. The surgery is $1500 for eye repair, $1000 for eye removal (and a cool glass eye), and the third option is a ointment treatment. THe ointment treatment does not always have great sucesss and its a pain the ass. I'd have to apply ointment like every 4 hours. I'll probably just pay for the surgery, as its $1000 for eye removal anyway. But even the surgery might not be sucessful
sorry to hear that catchr.
Poor doggy.
Quote from: Gamplayerx on November 28, 2005, 07:12:26 AM
Poor doggy.
We all know you hate dogs and are secretly rejoicing.
ooo Catchr. I'm sorry to hear about poor Viktor's ojo. :(
If it were me I'd start with the ointment, but that's just cuz I don't have $1000 to spend, let alone $1500.
I hope your puppy gets better Catchr.
This reminds me that my neighbors piss me off. They had their pug tied up outside all weekend, as best I could tell. Poor baby was out in the cold and the rain, tied to the stairs.
I hope your puppy is ok, Catchr.
Quote from: Jessie on November 28, 2005, 09:38:14 AM
This reminds me that my neighbors piss me off. They had their pug tied up outside all weekend, as best I could tell. Poor baby was out in the cold and the rain, tied to the stairs.
I hope your puppy is ok, Catchr.
You can call Animal Control in situations like that... pugs are NOT outside doggies.
I wish I could just take him into my apartment, but I'm not allowed. Plus, that's like stealing and stuff.
Quote from: Jessie on November 28, 2005, 09:51:27 AM
I wish I could just take him into my apartment, but I'm not allowed. Plus, that's like stealing and stuff.
Are they in the same apartment complex?
They're in the building next door. The pet policy where I live is dependant upon the age of the carpet in each individual unit.
not a pretty GIS
catchr is there a risk of recurrence after surgery? after a bit of reading, it seems this will permanently impair visibility through affected parts of the cornea. :( cuddles has only had minor corneal ulcers, and I received a small tube of goop to put on her eye for it. in her case the indicator was excessive eye discharge. it cleared up after a few days of treatment.
http://www.sniksnak.com/doghealth/corneal.html
Poor thing. Bruce and I will say a prayer for you guys tonight.
a good friend of mine had a very similar situation with her dog (although it was glaucoma-related, but the treatment approaches were similar). after speaking with her vet, who felt fairly certain that the problem would re-occur, even with the surgical treatment, they decided to enucleate. angie did first try the much less expensive eye-drop treatment - similar to your ointment - but it didn't help and required several people to facilitate, since she couldn't get away from work during the day.
the dog eventually had the same problem with her other eye, and they did the same. so now sweet lucy is a blind dog, and i have to say - she is awesome. she is actually a nicer dog than she used to be, and much more social. she has acclimated beautifully, and - i know people think about this with the idea of removing an eye - she is still a very pretty dog. she does not have glass eyes; her eyelids are permanently closed.
while eye removal is kind of horrible to think about, it is actually a very good option to consider, especially if the problem might come back after an initial surgery. while not all vets will answer this question, i generally say "if this was your dog, what would you do?"
Thanks for the well wishes guys...
I didn't end up going to the dog opthamology specialist... my friend tracy's dad (the one i went to europe with) is the owner lead vet at his general clilnic. When I called her yesterday she said she didn't think they did eye surgery.
She called me back today like 10 minutes before I went in the expensive speciality place and said they could probably do it for under a $1000. The other place's lower estimate was $1500. Her dad wouldn't be doing it (he just got in his 3rd bicycling-car accident and can barely walk). But I guess he has enough sway to convince his colleague. I go in at 2 but they can't do the surgery today.
i had dick over the other place i made an evaluation appt with. I called and said I couldn't make it right then. I felt bad, but i'd rather have the $150 instead of do-nothing visit, thank you. anyway thanks again for listening to me.
good wishes for viktor today!! willie sends good dog thoughts.
let us know how it goes, ok?
Viktor will be as okay as he can be because he has a responsible and caring owner. May the whole thing be as non-discomforting as possible for both of you.
What Beefy said.
at least you don't let your pets go humping balloons! now that's irresponsible. that could sting the ween :(
hey i just got back from the vet and they will put stiches on his eye and use part of his eyelid to cover the puncture. It will "only" be like $400 as opposed to the at least $1500 quoted by the specialist. He was yelping and thrashing when the vet and i were look at his eye. It was pretty gross. I pick him up tommorow, its a one night stay at doggie hospital.
Oh and Nishi, I was thinking about what if he became blind one day. I always thought blind dogs (unless slowly blinded through age) were pissed and constantly unable to cope, since they apparently lack those mechanisms a human would have.. I would have probably put him down but now you've given me something to think about.
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on November 28, 2005, 06:35:41 PM
Oh and Nishi, I was thinking about what if he became blind one day. I always thought blind dogs (unless slowly blinded through age) were pissed and constantly unable to cope, since they apparently lack those mechanisms a human would have.. I would have probably put him down but now you've given me something to think about.
Blind dogs function quite well. I've met a few. They don't view their senses in the same way we do, and adjust well.
I remember one dog that I never would have known was blind. He was happy and acted just like any other dog.
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on November 28, 2005, 06:35:41 PM
Oh and Nishi, I was thinking about what if he became blind one day. I always thought blind dogs (unless slowly blinded through age) were pissed and constantly unable to cope, since they apparently lack those mechanisms a human would have.. I would have probably put him down but now you've given me something to think about.
My family has had three blind dogs in my lifetime. The one that went fully blind, Timmy, a poodle, was the happiest dog in the world. Going blind is unfortunate, but they can still enjoy their lives.
I'm glad it's working out for the best, Catchr.
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on November 28, 2005, 06:35:41 PM
Oh and Nishi, I was thinking about what if he became blind one day. I always thought blind dogs (unless slowly blinded through age) were pissed and constantly unable to cope, since they apparently lack those mechanisms a human would have.. I would have probably put him down but now you've given me something to think about.
everyone was telling my friend angie that she should have lucy put down, especially when it was obvious that lucy was having problems with her remaining eye. but a bunch of us did a whole lot of research on blind dogs - there are people who specifically rescue blind dogs, because they say that blind animals are wonderful pets, and the relationship that develops because of this different kind of reliance that they have on you makes them very special. and she didn't feel that putting her down was something she would feel ok about, and her vet helped out by saying that she would do the enucleation rather than sending lucy to a specialist, and she also let angie pay it off over a period of time because she knew that cost was an issue.
we did think about getting lucy one of these, though:
http://www.guidehorse.org/
as you look through that site, please notice all the statements about horses working inside, but being outside animals and they should be outside when they're not working, blah blah blah. and then every other picture you see is little horsie on the sofa, little horsie curled up in bed, little horsie on his own fluffy bed.. it's hilarious.
but i think viktor could probably use one. they'd look good together.
like on this page:
http://www.guidehorse.org/horses_house.htm
THAT HORSE GOT PUT IN DA DRYER
(http://www.clutterofechoes.com/BrianFellow/brianmonkey.jpg)
Quote from: Jessie on November 28, 2005, 08:25:44 AM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on November 28, 2005, 07:12:26 AM
Poor doggy.
We all know you hate dogs and are secretly rejoicing.
I'm terrified of dogs, but I still have empathy.
Hope the healing goes well, Catchr.
Quote from: Gamplayerx on November 29, 2005, 07:25:16 AM
Quote from: Jessie on November 28, 2005, 08:25:44 AM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on November 28, 2005, 07:12:26 AM
Poor doggy.
We all know you hate dogs and are secretly rejoicing.
I'm terrified of dogs, but I still have empathy.
Hope the healing goes well, Catchr.
I know. I was teasing. We all know you're nice. That's why we love you.
Teasing? You were teasing me?!? I'm telling! You big meanie!!
Don't make me seperate you two bitches.
Haha. Bitches. In a dog thread.
I hear that DS has quite the pimp hand.
did you have to hold viktor while the vet put dye that looks like highlighter-pen ink in his eye? i felt bad doing that
but the worst was the kennel-cough vaccine. "here sir hold your dog tight while i SHOOT A SYRINGE FULL OF LIQUID UP HER NOSE THEN COVER HER MUZZLE" could have warned me about that, dick.
Quote from: Gamplayerx on November 29, 2005, 07:25:16 AM
Quote from: Jessie on November 28, 2005, 08:25:44 AM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on November 28, 2005, 07:12:26 AM
Poor doggy.
We all know you hate dogs and are secretly rejoicing.
I'm terrified of dogs, but I still have empathy.
Hope the healing goes well, Catchr.
i couldn't bring them to my parents house for that same reason, my grandma is petrfied of dogs. She is also 95 and grew up in a place where pretty much all dogs were feral.
Quote from: hattmoward on November 29, 2005, 11:33:34 AM
did you have to hold viktor while the vet put dye that looks like highlighter-pen ink in his eye? i felt bad doing that
but the worst was the kennel-cough vaccine. "here sir hold your dog tight while i SHOOT A SYRINGE FULL OF LIQUID UP HER NOSE THEN COVER HER MUZZLE" could have warned me about that, dick.
no he was just checking it out with his hand, while i held him down. They put the ink and the eye numberer in the back, but i could hear him yelping. This is the same clinic...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/02/10/turtles.separated.ap/
hahah PB & J
IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME
i saw a thing on animal planet one time where a turtle's shell was damaged, and they took it to a body shop and used fiberglass patching to repair him.
http://andrewjaw.com/100_0564.JPG
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I have to open his eye socket and drop these eye drops in 3 times a day. Its really gross.
The stiches come out next week!
I couldn't get him to sit still for the picture, its not an eye patch. That is his fur shaven down around his eye, and his eye shut.
Does the funnel collar make him walk into walls? My dog walked into walls and doorways and stuff because he couldn't see around his. It was pretty funny.
Go pick up Hoops and head to Nantucket.
Quote from: ReBurn on November 30, 2005, 10:20:55 AM
Does the funnel collar make him walk into walls? My dog walked into walls and doorways and stuff because he couldn't see around his. It was pretty funny.
Yes, and he can get out of the dog door, but for some reason has extreme trouble getting back in that door.
I'm a tad worried, I'm not sure if I'm applying the eye drops correctly. Its not easy peeling open his eyelids and dropping them in. As long as I got the liquid in some crevice of his eye it should be ok right? any advice on holding a squrimy dog and putthing stuff in ihs face?
I don't know about dogs, but with cats, you sort of sit on them and bring the dropper around from the back of their head so they don't see it coming.
Hog tie his ass.
Quote from: Gamplayerx on November 30, 2005, 11:25:35 AM
I don't know about dogs, but with cats, you sort of sit on them and bring the dropper around from the back of their head so they don't see it coming.
how about locking him between my legs and bending over?
that's your answer for everything.
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on November 30, 2005, 03:09:28 AM
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http://andrewjaw.com/100_0566.JPG
I have to open his eye socket and drop these eye drops in 3 times a day. Its really gross.
The stiches come out next week!
I couldn't get him to sit still for the picture, its not an eye patch. That is his fur shaven down around his eye, and his eye shut.
He looks like an Ewok after it's been in a barfight.
Quote from: Jessie on November 30, 2005, 11:26:13 AM
Hog tie his ass.
im seriously considering it, this is totally stressing my normal unstressed ass out severely. 3 times a day I have this wrestling match with him and im not sure ie ven got the eye drops in. Has anyone had experience eye dropping uncooperative animals?
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 01, 2005, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: Jessie on November 30, 2005, 11:26:13 AM
Hog tie his ass.
im seriously considering it, this is totally stressing my normal unstressed ass out severely. 3 times a day I have this wrestling match with him and im not sure ie ven got the eye drops in. Has anyone had experience eye dropping uncooperative animals?
Beat him unconscious first.
Quote from: ReBurn on December 01, 2005, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 01, 2005, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: Jessie on November 30, 2005, 11:26:13 AM
Hog tie his ass.
im seriously considering it, this is totally stressing my normal unstressed ass out severely. 3 times a day I have this wrestling match with him and im not sure ie ven got the eye drops in. Has anyone had experience eye dropping uncooperative animals?
Beat him unconscious first.
do you know of any sort temporary animal sedative?
Since he's kind of smallish- try wrapping him up like a mummy in a bath towel. Put his front legs down toward his belly and extend his back legs out behind him. I'm serious- duct tape may help keep the towel on unless you have an assistant. Make a Viktor burrito and do it that way.
Then put him in the oven at 350 for about two hours. Serve warm.
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 01, 2005, 10:08:28 PM
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Quote from: Jessie on November 30, 2005, 11:26:13 AM
Hog tie his ass.
im seriously considering it, this is totally stressing my normal unstressed ass out severely. 3 times a day I have this wrestling match with him and im not sure ie ven got the eye drops in. Has anyone had experience eye dropping uncooperative animals?
Beat him unconscious first.
do you know of any sort temporary animal sedative?
then he'll be blind and high...not a good combo
Quote from: grace on December 01, 2005, 10:50:29 PM
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 01, 2005, 10:08:28 PM
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Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 01, 2005, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: Jessie on November 30, 2005, 11:26:13 AM
Hog tie his ass.
im seriously considering it, this is totally stressing my normal unstressed ass out severely. 3 times a day I have this wrestling match with him and im not sure ie ven got the eye drops in. Has anyone had experience eye dropping uncooperative animals?
Beat him unconscious first.
do you know of any sort temporary animal sedative?
then he'll be blind and high...not a good combo
Dude, if that happens, we demand video.
Quote from: cnamon on December 01, 2005, 10:59:06 PM
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Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 01, 2005, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: Jessie on November 30, 2005, 11:26:13 AM
Hog tie his ass.
im seriously considering it, this is totally stressing my normal unstressed ass out severely. 3 times a day I have this wrestling match with him and im not sure ie ven got the eye drops in. Has anyone had experience eye dropping uncooperative animals?
Beat him unconscious first.
do you know of any sort temporary animal sedative?
then he'll be blind and high...not a good combo
Dude, if that happens, we demand video.
We could call him Stevie Wonder.
Quote from: dazie on December 01, 2005, 11:04:07 PM
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Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 01, 2005, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: Jessie on November 30, 2005, 11:26:13 AM
Hog tie his ass.
im seriously considering it, this is totally stressing my normal unstressed ass out severely. 3 times a day I have this wrestling match with him and im not sure ie ven got the eye drops in. Has anyone had experience eye dropping uncooperative animals?
Beat him unconscious first.
do you know of any sort temporary animal sedative?
then he'll be blind and high...not a good combo
Dude, if that happens, we demand video.
We could call him Stevie Wonder.
blind wonder shitz... get rolling on the videos dude
Quote from: dazie on December 01, 2005, 11:04:07 PM
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Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 01, 2005, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: Jessie on November 30, 2005, 11:26:13 AM
Hog tie his ass.
im seriously considering it, this is totally stressing my normal unstressed ass out severely. 3 times a day I have this wrestling match with him and im not sure ie ven got the eye drops in. Has anyone had experience eye dropping uncooperative animals?
Beat him unconscious first.
do you know of any sort temporary animal sedative?
then he'll be blind and high...not a good combo
Dude, if that happens, we demand video.
We could call him Stevie Wonder.
you racist only his fur is black.
Ok i have a battery of options now thanks. I have at least 15 wrestling matches to go till they remove the stiches. Then the doc determines if he needs it foreva. I just don't want to fuck up this week and have him go blind just cause I'm incompetent. My incompetence should only hurt me, not anyone else.
Don't you have roommates? Could anyone help with the holding part?
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 01, 2005, 11:21:44 PM
Ok i have a battery option now thanks.
That's what I've been saying.
don't say the word battery in a dog thread. that's a story i don't want to tell.
have you called the vet to ask for suggestions? i was thinking benadryl might calm him down and make the wrestling easier, but i would have no clue what is a safe dose for a dog that size. it would have the added benefit of reducing inflammation.
Quote from: Gamplayerx on December 02, 2005, 07:26:45 AM
Don't you have roommates? Could anyone help with the holding part?
yeah but i need to do it three times a day, and I am the last one awake.
I cradled him like a baby with one arm and used the other arm from behind CALMLY (I guess grabbing his neck is sort of scary) and used my right hand to drop it in. It worked last night, but DID NOT work this morning. argh just till Monday hopefully the stiches will come out good.
Quote from: hattmoward on December 02, 2005, 10:43:35 AM
don't say the word battery in a dog thread. that's a story i don't want to tell.
have you called the vet to ask for suggestions? i was thinking benadryl might calm him down and make the wrestling easier, but i would have no clue what is a safe dose for a dog that size. it would have the added benefit of reducing inflammation.
on a serious note...Benadryl may help. i have given it to both my Danes a number of times for various stuff. had a vet tell me it is a sort of "asprin" for dogs.
a very tiny bit of the liquid may just have a calming effect, which the poor baby probably needs.
(one drop for him...five for you... :)
Quote from: grace on December 02, 2005, 11:52:59 PM
Quote from: hattmoward on December 02, 2005, 10:43:35 AM
don't say the word battery in a dog thread. that's a story i don't want to tell.
have you called the vet to ask for suggestions? i was thinking benadryl might calm him down and make the wrestling easier, but i would have no clue what is a safe dose for a dog that size. it would have the added benefit of reducing inflammation.
on a serious note...Benadryl may help. i have given it to both my Danes a number of times for various stuff. had a vet tell me it is a sort of "asprin" for dogs.
a very tiny bit of the liquid may just have a calming effect, which the poor baby probably needs.
(one drop for him...five for you... :)
Benadryl? that sounds good but 3 times a day? How long does it take effect?
OK I'm the worst dog owner ever.
Today was teh big day for stitch removal. FInally this gigantic monkey will come off my back. Well, it turns out he had scratched out two of his stiches out, so they had to DO SURGERY AGAIN.
It was my damn fault, I felt so bad that he had to have the cone on all the time, I would take it off when he slept. I guess he scratched his face then. :hit: So now I have another surgery and TEN MORE FRIGGIN DAYS (thats 30 eye drop wrestling sessions) to deal with. I really wish I had a doggy gallows.
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 06, 2005, 03:58:39 AM
I really wish I had a doggy gallows.
:hit:
Yeah I know you feel bad because of the cone but ... well now you've learned the lesson. Other than tearing out the stitches (yeowch! stitches between the eyelids torn out?!), did the doc say anything about the condition of the eye?
Quote from: hattmoward on December 06, 2005, 09:46:58 AM
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 06, 2005, 03:58:39 AM
I really wish I had a doggy gallows.
:hit:
Yeah I know you feel bad because of the cone but ... well now you've learned the lesson. Other than tearing out the stitches (yeowch! stitches between the eyelids torn out?!), did the doc say anything about the condition of the eye?
No, in fact the next set of meds just had instructions for the bad eye only. And I got no more pills. I went realy late after the docs left and just the techs were there I'll have to call him later. So I surmise maybe the eye drops were going in OK.
I'm finding when I don't have some around to help out its simply a war of attrition. I got up early again this mornign and fought with him for maybe 15 minutes. It seems much longer than it is.
On the longview, this really underscores the areas of my personality I need to work on. Its quite a good analogy I dunno for life I suppose.
Everything will turn out okay. You didn't know what he'd do when you took the cone off - don't beat yourself up for trying to make your dog comfortable. Now you know why he needs to be uncomfortable for awhile, lesson learned.
You're still a good dad.
Quote from: Alice on December 06, 2005, 12:20:51 PM
Everything will turn out okay. You didn't know what he'd do when you took the cone off - don't beat yourself up for trying to make your dog comfortable. Now you know why he needs to be uncomfortable for awhile, lesson learned.
You're still a good dad.
Thank you very much for the re-assurance, but I'm beginning to suspect that I'm not the biological dad though.
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 06, 2005, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: Alice on December 06, 2005, 12:20:51 PM
Everything will turn out okay. You didn't know what he'd do when you took the cone off - don't beat yourself up for trying to make your dog comfortable. Now you know why he needs to be uncomfortable for awhile, lesson learned.
You're still a good dad.
Thank you very much for the re-assurance, but I'm beginning to suspect that I'm not the biological dad though.
forgive me for laughing ...really hard... but it is such a comedy of errors...i want film of a session...
Quote from: grace on December 06, 2005, 09:52:17 PM
Quote from: CatchrNdRy on December 06, 2005, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: Alice on December 06, 2005, 12:20:51 PM
Everything will turn out okay. You didn't know what he'd do when you took the cone off - don't beat yourself up for trying to make your dog comfortable. Now you know why he needs to be uncomfortable for awhile, lesson learned.
You're still a good dad.
Thank you very much for the re-assurance, but I'm beginning to suspect that I'm not the biological dad though.
forgive me for laughing ...really hard... but it is such a comedy of errors...i want film of a session...
you know what I would totally show everyone so they could empathize. But I really need all my arms. And if someone else is there I would need there arms too. Maybe i could set it somewhere.
How did this turn out?