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Title: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:02:11 PM
I managed to get the wireless internet working on one laptop - but it's the crappy laptop that has no cd or floppy drives and the screen is pink (I'm actually using it right now) and it only has a teeny crappy little speaker.   But I still can't get it working on the other laptop.  Why??  It keeps telling me that it's connected to the network but can't find the internet.

Linksys was no help.  Any of you have any ideas?
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: opus on September 15, 2005, 06:12:24 PM
Could be a bunch of things.

Are you running through a router or just a wireless access hub?  Also, do you have more than one machine on at a time.  Some ISP's limit you to one machine (yes they can tell, but don't always do anything about it) at a time.

Feel free to email me if you want, maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: ignom on September 15, 2005, 06:14:03 PM
Call Comcast or whoever your internet provider is. Or else call DownSouth.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: meredith on September 15, 2005, 06:19:10 PM
What error messages do you see?  If you're using encryption on the wireless network, did you remember to give that laptop the encryption key?


go to start, then run, type "command" and press enter

type "ping hattmoward.org" then enter

It should come up with something like below.  Let me know if it says anything different.

Quote
Pinging hattmoward.org [69.55.234.84] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 69.55.234.84: bytes=32 time=75ms TTL=43
Reply from 69.55.234.84: bytes=32 time=73ms TTL=43
Reply from 69.55.234.84: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=43
Reply from 69.55.234.84: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=43

Ping statistics for 69.55.234.84:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 69ms, Maximum = 75ms, Average = 72ms
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: ReBurn on September 15, 2005, 06:22:52 PM
Quote from: ignom on September 15, 2005, 06:14:03 PM
Call Comcast or whoever your internet provider is. Or else call DownSouth.
Or throw a quarter at it.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: opus on September 15, 2005, 06:12:24 PM
Could be a bunch of things.

Are you running through a router or just a wireless access hub?  Also, do you have more than one machine on at a time.  Some ISP's limit you to one machine (yes they can tell, but don't always do anything about it) at a time.

Feel free to email me if you want, maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
It's a Linksys Wireless-G Broadband Router.  I haven't tried again with the other laptop, but this one wasn't on when I was trying to set it up on the other laptop.

hatt, I'm not getting an error message, it just says "Connected to network, unable to find Internet."  Lemme turn it on and I'll try the pinging.

Thanks, ignom and ReBurn!

Comcast has no clue.  They have no problem with me hooking up a gazillion computers.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:28:36 PM
Here's the only other variable I can think of - the desktop and this laptop are Windows XP.  The laptop that can't find the internet is Windows 2000.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: meredith on September 15, 2005, 06:32:24 PM
ah windows 2000.  another thing to run in that command window is "ipconfig".  take note of any lines reading "IP Address" for me.

btw, are any other houses close enough for wireless to reach your computers?  is it possible it's picked up on someone else's network?
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:40:06 PM
The ping thing was unsuccessful. "Unknown host hattmoward.org."

ipconfig:  IP address is 169.l254.186.82
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: Beefy on September 15, 2005, 06:40:46 PM
I pinged hatt just fine.  Now I need a smoke.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:41:29 PM
Oh. And my neighbor's have a wireless network which I can see, but I'm not trying to connect to them.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 06:42:10 PM
Do the same IPConfig thing on the working laptop and tell us what it's IP address is.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: opus on September 15, 2005, 06:42:42 PM
That address is a standard one automatically assigned by windows at startup when there is no discernable netwrok conenction.

Your machine is not getting an IP address from the router.  This could be a good first clue.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: meredith on September 15, 2005, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:40:06 PM
The ping thing was unsuccessful. "Unknown host hattmoward.org."

ipconfig:  IP address is 169.l254.186.82

That address is one that is used when a PC is expecting the network to tell it what address to use, but doesn't get a response.  Did you say whether or not you checked that it's going for the right ESSID and has the right encryption key (if applicable)?
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: meredith on September 15, 2005, 06:43:41 PM
Linksys defaults to 192.168.1.0, no?
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 06:44:38 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:43:41 PM
Linksys defaults to 192.168.1.0, no?

192.168.1.100 is the first assigned DHCP IP address for her router.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: meredith on September 15, 2005, 06:46:18 PM
Quote from: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 06:44:38 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:43:41 PM
Linksys defaults to 192.168.1.0, no?

192.168.1.100 is the first assigned DHCP IP address for her router.

If you know the subnet it uses and the range it assigns, then why did you ask?
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:46:18 PM
Quote from: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 06:44:38 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:43:41 PM
Linksys defaults to 192.168.1.0, no?

192.168.1.100 is the first assigned DHCP IP address for her router.

If you know the subnet it uses and the range it assigns, then why did you ask?

I want to verify that her working laptop has DHCP assignment from her router and not her neighbors.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: dc on September 15, 2005, 06:48:52 PM
Cover it in magnets.  That'll do the trick.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:49:17 PM
ipconfig on this computer says 192.168.1.101.

Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:43:03 PM
Did you say whether or not you checked that it's going for the right ESSID and has the right encryption key (if applicable)?
I don't know what that first part means, but on the second part, yes - it has the right encryption key.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: ReBurn on September 15, 2005, 06:50:30 PM
The desktop connected directly to the router probably got the 192.168.1.100 address.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 06:50:41 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:49:17 PM
ipconfig on this computer says 192.168.1.101.

Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:43:03 PM
Did you say whether or not you checked that it's going for the right ESSID and has the right encryption key (if applicable)?
I don't know what that first part means, but on the second part, yes - it has the right encryption key.
I never use encryption. I lock access down by the ethernet adapter's unique identifying number. If someone wants to sniff my packets from the street, they are free to do so.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: meredith on September 15, 2005, 06:51:13 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:49:17 PM
ipconfig on this computer says 192.168.1.101.

Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:43:03 PM
Did you say whether or not you checked that it's going for the right ESSID and has the right encryption key (if applicable)?
I don't know what that first part means, but on the second part, yes - it has the right encryption key.

the ESSID is the wireless network name.  Linksys defaults surprising to "Linksys" :)  but I think they have you pick your own during setup
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: ReBurn on September 15, 2005, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 06:50:41 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:49:17 PM
ipconfig on this computer says 192.168.1.101.

Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:43:03 PM
Did you say whether or not you checked that it's going for the right ESSID and has the right encryption key (if applicable)?
I don't know what that first part means, but on the second part, yes - it has the right encryption key.
I never use encryption. I lock access down by the ethernet adapter's unique identifying number. If someone wants to sniff my packets from the street, they are free to do so.
There's a joke in there somewhere, but I can't seem to pull it out.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: meredith on September 15, 2005, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: ReBurninator on September 15, 2005, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 06:50:41 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:49:17 PM
ipconfig on this computer says 192.168.1.101.

Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:43:03 PM
Did you say whether or not you checked that it's going for the right ESSID and has the right encryption key (if applicable)?
I don't know what that first part means, but on the second part, yes - it has the right encryption key.
I never use encryption. I lock access down by the ethernet adapter's unique identifying number. If someone wants to sniff my packets from the street, they are free to do so.
There's a joke in there somewhere, but I can't seem to pull it out.
I've sniffed his packets. My nose hasn't worked the same since.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: ReBurninator on September 15, 2005, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 06:50:41 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:49:17 PM
ipconfig on this computer says 192.168.1.101.

Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:43:03 PM
Did you say whether or not you checked that it's going for the right ESSID and has the right encryption key (if applicable)?
I don't know what that first part means, but on the second part, yes - it has the right encryption key.
I never use encryption. I lock access down by the ethernet adapter's unique identifying number. If someone wants to sniff my packets from the street, they are free to do so.
There's a joke in there somewhere, but I can't seem to pull it out.
I've sniffed his packets. My nose hasn't worked the same since.

My packets smell like roses.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:53:22 PM
Oh. Yes.  It's going for the right ESSID.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 06:57:12 PM
Can I call one of you?  All this pink is driving me insane.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: meredith on September 15, 2005, 06:58:38 PM
8668616611
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:58:38 PM
8668616611

You have a toll free number to your house?
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 07:04:15 PM
You can call me at 901-338-0762. I have the same version router and same brand client hardware.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 07:09:01 PM
Or I could stop by and have a look at iit a week from next Monday.
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: meredith on September 15, 2005, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:58:38 PM
8668616611

You have a toll free number to your house?

yeah pretty much
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: Gamplayerx on September 15, 2005, 07:40:24 PM
hatt showed much patience and spoke to me most kindly, but to no avail.  I may take you up on the home visit, CD.  :)
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: ReBurn on September 15, 2005, 10:18:20 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:58:38 PM
8668616611

You have a toll free number to your house?

yeah pretty much
I hope that didn't shrink BigDun's package too much...
Title: Re: Yay! And Mwuh. But geeky.
Post by: meredith on September 15, 2005, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: ReBurninator on September 15, 2005, 10:18:20 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: BigDun on September 15, 2005, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: mr. cleft on September 15, 2005, 06:58:38 PM
8668616611

You have a toll free number to your house?

yeah pretty much
I hope that didn't shrink BigDun's package too much...
Hey I'm not the one with the beefcake pic.