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Title: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 13, 2007, 11:40:46 AM
Is anyone else into yerba mate? I'm enjoying some right now.

Is anyone into oolong tea, for that matter? Catchr?
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 13, 2007, 11:44:08 AM
I don't know what yerba mate is.  And tea is icky.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 13, 2007, 11:46:59 AM
Never heard of it.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: DownSouth on February 13, 2007, 11:49:59 AM
I don't know what it is either.  I do drink a lot of tea though.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Bishamonten on February 13, 2007, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: DownSouth on February 13, 2007, 11:49:59 AM
I don't know what it is either.  I do drink a lot of tea though.

My wife and I drink what can only be described as a fuck ton of tea.  Granted she's cut back to 1 cup a day due to the pregnancy, but we still have a ton of tea.  Oolong is fun.  I have a gaiwan in my office simply for my oolong teas.  Also, if you can find it, try some Pu erh tea.  Earthy stuff.  Good.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 13, 2007, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: Bishamonten on February 13, 2007, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: DownSouth on February 13, 2007, 11:49:59 AM
I don't know what it is either.  I do drink a lot of tea though.

My wife and I drink what can only be described as a fuck ton of tea.  Granted she's cut back to 1 cup a day due to the pregnancy, but we still have a ton of tea.  Oolong is fun.  I have a gaiwan in my office simply for my oolong teas.  Also, if you can find it, try some Pu erh tea.  Earthy stuff.  Good.

If you can ever get some Tung Ting style oolong from Taiwan, try it. It's awesome. It's my favorite.

Alice: You're missing out.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Bishamonten on February 13, 2007, 12:01:19 PM
Quote from: JJ on February 13, 2007, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: Bishamonten on February 13, 2007, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: DownSouth on February 13, 2007, 11:49:59 AM
I don't know what it is either.  I do drink a lot of tea though.

My wife and I drink what can only be described as a fuck ton of tea.  Granted she's cut back to 1 cup a day due to the pregnancy, but we still have a ton of tea.  Oolong is fun.  I have a gaiwan in my office simply for my oolong teas.  Also, if you can find it, try some Pu erh tea.  Earthy stuff.  Good.

If you can ever get some Tung Ting style oolong from Taiwan, try it. It's awesome. It's my favorite.

Alice: You're missing out.

www.taooftea.com (http://www.taooftea.com) is a great place to order tea.
The Pine Smoke Black Tea (http://www.taooftea.com/detail95-Pine_Smoked_Black.html) is my current favorite. 
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 13, 2007, 12:02:13 PM
I like tea, but usually only drink regular old iced tea or hot green tea.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 13, 2007, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: Bishamonten on February 13, 2007, 12:01:19 PM
www.taooftea.com (http://www.taooftea.com) is a great place to order tea.
The Pine Smoke Black Tea (http://www.taooftea.com/detail95-Pine_Smoked_Black.html) is my current favorite. 

Check out www.uptontea.com
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: DownSouth on February 13, 2007, 12:09:07 PM
I've been hooked on the citrus green tea for the past week or so.  I'm out now so I'm drinking citrus cooler Gatorade.  Not quite the same.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Beefy on February 13, 2007, 12:14:49 PM
I used to love tea, then I grew away from it.  It's been on my mind quite a bit lately.  I think I might go back to it.

I used to drink this Rainforest tea that I just loved.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 13, 2007, 12:18:32 PM
That's a cool site, Bish, thanks for the link. Too bad they don't sell in larger quantities!
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Gamplayerx on February 13, 2007, 12:51:06 PM
You ever gonna tell us what Yerba Mate is?
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 13, 2007, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on February 13, 2007, 12:51:06 PM
You ever gonna tell us what Yerba Mate is?

Look it up!
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Gamplayerx on February 13, 2007, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: JJ on February 13, 2007, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on February 13, 2007, 12:51:06 PM
You ever gonna tell us what Yerba Mate is?

Look it up!
Make me!
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 13, 2007, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on February 13, 2007, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: JJ on February 13, 2007, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on February 13, 2007, 12:51:06 PM
You ever gonna tell us what Yerba Mate is?

Look it up!
Make me!
Because I love you:

Yerba mate (Spanish) or erva mate (Portuguese) (Ilex paraguariensis) is a species of holly (family Aquifoliaceae) native to subtropical South America in Argentina, southern Paraguay, western Uruguay and southern Brazil.

The infusion called mate is prepared by steeping the dry leaves (and twigs) in hot water rather than boiling water like black tea or coffee. It is slightly less potent than coffee and much gentler on the stomach. Drinking mate with friends from a shared hollow gourd (also called a mate in Spanish, or cabaça or cuia in Portuguese) with a metal straw (a bombilla in Spanish, bomba or canudo in Portuguese) is an extremely common social practice in Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, eastern Chile and southern Bolivia and Brazil.

Its use has also been introduced into Lebanon and Syria, particularly among the Alawi, Druze and Ismaili minorities. It's a very popular social drink in Salamiyah, Syria.

The flavor of brewed yerba mate is strongly vegetal, herbal, and grassy, reminiscent of some varieties of green tea. Many consider the flavor to be very agreeable, however, it is generally bitter if steeped in water at boiling point and is traditionally made using boiling water combined with a little cold water. Unlike most teas, it does not become bitter and astringent when steeped for extended periods, and the leaves may be infused several times. Additionally, one can purchase flavored mate in many varieties.

In Brazil, a toasted version of mate, known as chá mate or "mate tea", is sold in teabag and loose form, and served, sweetened, in specialized shops, either hot or iced with fruit juice or milk. An iced, sweetened version of toasted mate is sold as an uncarbonated soft drink, with or without fruit flavoring. The toasted variety of mate has less of a bitter flavor and more of a spicy fragrance. It is more popular in the coastal cities of Brazil, as opposed to the far southern states where it is consumed in the traditional way (green, drunk with a silver straw from a shared gourd).

The yerba mate plant is a shrub or small tree growing up to 15 meters tall. The leaves are evergreen, 7–11 cm long and 3–5.5 cm wide, with a serrated margin. The flowers are small, greenish-white, with four petals. The fruit is a red berry 4–6 mm diameter[1].
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 13, 2007, 02:43:32 PM
Also, the green tea latte at Starbucks tastes like grass. 
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: dazie on February 13, 2007, 02:43:38 PM
brownnoser.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: ursus on February 13, 2007, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Jessie on February 13, 2007, 02:43:32 PM
Also, the green tea latte at Starbucks tastes like ass. 

Doesn't it all?
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Gamplayerx on February 13, 2007, 03:31:13 PM
Thanks, Jessie!  You're a peach.

QuoteThe flavor of brewed yerba mate is strongly vegetal, herbal, and grassy

I read that as gassy.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 13, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
I'm not missing out.  I can warm up water and throw some dirt in it for free... and it tastes just the same as tea.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 14, 2007, 12:58:18 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 13, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
I'm not missing out.  I can warm up water and throw some dirt in it for free... and it tastes just the same as tea.

That's the glue talking.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 13, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
I'm not missing out.  I can warm up water and throw some dirt in it for free... and it tastes just the same as tea.

You've been drinking the wrong tea.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: eo000 on February 14, 2007, 08:35:49 AM
Quote from: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 13, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
I'm not missing out.  I can warm up water and throw some dirt in it for free... and it tastes just the same as tea.

You've been drinking the wrong tea.
don't listen to her. she's a coffee drinker.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 14, 2007, 08:49:06 AM
Quote from: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 13, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
I'm not missing out.  I can warm up water and throw some dirt in it for free... and it tastes just the same as tea.

You've been drinking the wrong tea.
Everyone always says that, but the tea they give me still tastes like hot water and the forest preserve. 
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 14, 2007, 09:36:12 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 14, 2007, 08:49:06 AM
Quote from: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 13, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
I'm not missing out.  I can warm up water and throw some dirt in it for free... and it tastes just the same as tea.

You've been drinking the wrong tea.
Everyone always says that, but the tea they give me still tastes like hot water and the forest preserve. 

Was your sense of taste injured in a terrible industrial chemical explosion?
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 14, 2007, 09:38:38 AM
You put leaves in hot water.  Are you kidding me?  How is it not going to taste like leaves and hot water? 
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 14, 2007, 09:38:38 AM
You put leaves in hot water.  Are you kidding me?  How is it not going to taste like leaves and hot water? 
Do you put sugar in it?
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 14, 2007, 09:45:48 AM
Quote from: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 14, 2007, 09:38:38 AM
You put leaves in hot water.  Are you kidding me?  How is it not going to taste like leaves and hot water? 
Do you put sugar in it?
I've put sugar, honey, lemon... everything people recommend.  Then it tastes like hot water, leaves and sugar, honey or lemon.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 09:51:43 AM
Do you like iced tea?
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 14, 2007, 09:53:15 AM
No.  Iced tea tastes like cold water with leaves.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Bennyhana on February 14, 2007, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 14, 2007, 08:49:06 AM
Quote from: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 13, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
I'm not missing out.  I can warm up water and throw some dirt in it for free... and it tastes just the same as tea.

You've been drinking the wrong tea.
Everyone always says that, but the tea they give me still tastes like hot water and the forest preserve. 

Remember what you said about cunnilingus.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 14, 2007, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Bennyhana on February 14, 2007, 09:55:11 AM
Remember what you said about cunnilingus.
True.  Maybe I'll have my best friend make me some tea then.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 14, 2007, 09:38:38 AM
You put leaves in hot water.  Are you kidding me?  How is it not going to taste like leaves and hot water? 

OK opinions are fine and everything, but seriously. Generalizing tea that grossly is a little much!

I think your senses of smell and taste have become paralyzed in some kind of freak chemical spill.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 14, 2007, 09:38:38 AM
You put leaves in hot water.  Are you kidding me?  How is it not going to taste like leaves and hot water? 
Do you put sugar in it?

Good tea made with clean water has enough flavor and natural sweetness (with good oolongs, it kind of tastes a bit like licking a sweet battery) that you don't need to pollute it with sugar or whatever for it to taste totally awesome and refreshing.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 10:08:36 AM
/me stirs his hot mug of tea with a tiny tree branch
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 10:09:42 AM
To be fair, generalizing coffee as gross is totally acceptable, because it is.  Gross.  Blech.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 14, 2007, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:06:11 AM
OK opinions are fine and everything, but seriously. Generalizing tea that grossly is a little much!
So what you're telling me is that tea has magical powers - and when you put tea leaves into hot water, the taste magically changes into something else besides leaves and water?

I have no issues with people liking tea - my whole family does.  I'm just saying that it tastes like leaves and water.  And that I don't care for that taste... if other people like that taste, good for them.  However, after the many, many kinds of tea I have tried - there is not one that hasn't tasted like leaves and/or flowers and water. 
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:11:42 AM
I should buy a kilo of my favorite oolong tea when this year's crop comes in, and have the Great Junto Tea Mailing event.

But postage can and would get ridiculous.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 10:11:55 AM
Sasafrass tea tastes like roots and water.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 14, 2007, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:06:11 AM
OK opinions are fine and everything, but seriously. Generalizing tea that grossly is a little much!
So what you're telling me is that tea has magical powers - and when you put tea leaves into hot water, the taste magically changes into something else besides leaves and water?

I have no issues with people liking tea - my whole family does.  I'm just saying that it tastes like leaves and water.  And that I don't care for that taste... if other people like that taste, good for them.  However, after the many, many kinds of tea I have tried - there is not one that hasn't tasted like leaves and/or flowers and water. 

I guess that's the point is for it to have a vegetal, natural taste.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 14, 2007, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:12:20 AM
I guess that's the point is for it to have a vegetal, natural taste.
Probably.  And I don't care for that taste in a beverage.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: eo000 on February 14, 2007, 10:19:44 AM
/me cancels alice's "salad of the month club" membership gift
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 14, 2007, 10:20:40 AM
Quote from: eo000 on February 14, 2007, 10:19:44 AM
/me cancels alice's "salad of the month club" membership gift
A salad isn't a beverage.  :P
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: eo000 on February 14, 2007, 10:21:52 AM
still tastes like leaves.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 10:26:46 AM
I had a substitute teacher in high school who was such a naturalist she told us about how she ate her own afterbirth.

Naturally, she didn't substitute at our school for very long.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 10:28:38 AM
Beer is gross.

So is afterbirth.

Just guessing on one of those.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 10:29:46 AM
I can't eat stew because it tastes like stew.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 10:34:52 AM
I hate stew.  There's actually a negative emotional memory attached to that, though.  Weird, I know.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: dazie on February 14, 2007, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 10:34:52 AM
I hate stew. 

Don't worry- he hates you too

(http://i19.tinypic.com/44kickp.jpg)
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Bishamonten on February 14, 2007, 10:40:40 AM
Quote from: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:11:42 AM
I should buy a kilo of my favorite oolong tea when this year's crop comes in, and have the Great Junto Tea Mailing event.

But postage can and would get ridiculous.

I'm in!
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: DownSouth on February 14, 2007, 10:47:01 AM
Maybe you should try putting salad dressing in some tea.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 10:48:51 AM
Quote from: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 10:34:52 AM
I hate stew.  There's actually a negative emotional memory attached to that, though.  Weird, I know.

Same here.  Traumatic experience = no stew
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 10:49:20 AM
Quote from: DownSouth on February 14, 2007, 10:47:01 AM
Maybe you should try putting salad dressing in some tea.

This is going to be one of the great unsung ideas in the history of humankind.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: Bishamonten on February 14, 2007, 10:40:40 AM
Quote from: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:11:42 AM
I should buy a kilo of my favorite oolong tea when this year's crop comes in, and have the Great Junto Tea Mailing event.

But postage can and would get ridiculous.

I'm in!

I'll for sure send you some!

The only good Tung Ting style oolong that uptontea.com has now is the Thai oolong...check it out. I got a sample pack one time, and it was extremely tasty.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 10:48:51 AM
Quote from: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 10:34:52 AM
I hate stew.  There's actually a negative emotional memory attached to that, though.  Weird, I know.

Same here.  Traumatic experience = no stew

I thought I was the only person on the planet with a traumatic stew experience.   Aww, we can bond over our neuroses.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 14, 2007, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 10:48:51 AM
Quote from: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 10:34:52 AM
I hate stew.  There's actually a negative emotional memory attached to that, though.  Weird, I know.

Same here.  Traumatic experience = no stew

I thought I was the only person on the planet with a traumatic stew experience.   Aww, we can bond over our neuroses.

I like chunks of food floating in gravy. If that's a stew, and that's wrong, then I don't want to be right.

Mmm, soft lamb.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Bishamonten on February 14, 2007, 11:06:27 AM
Quote from: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: Bishamonten on February 14, 2007, 10:40:40 AM
Quote from: JJ on February 14, 2007, 10:11:42 AM
I should buy a kilo of my favorite oolong tea when this year's crop comes in, and have the Great Junto Tea Mailing event.

But postage can and would get ridiculous.

I'm in!

I'll for sure send you some!

The only good Tung Ting style oolong that uptontea.com has now is the Thai oolong...check it out. I got a sample pack one time, and it was extremely tasty.

I'll have to check later but we got a bit of Thai tea as wedding gift.  I'm not sure if it's an oolong or a black though.  If you ever get out to the Washington DC area, I'll treat you to Ching Ching Cha.  Great tea house in Georgetown.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: meredith on February 14, 2007, 11:29:16 AM
I'd like to open a tea shop.  There was this little one that I would visit in Indianapolis.  My favorite is simply "green tea with toasted rice".

I will name my shop Rockin' in the Tea World.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Bishamonten on February 14, 2007, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: hatt on February 14, 2007, 11:29:16 AM
My favorite is simply "green tea with toasted rice".


Sounds like genmaicha
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Gamplayerx on February 14, 2007, 11:30:37 AM
I'm not generally a fan of hot beverages.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: DownSouth on February 14, 2007, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on February 14, 2007, 11:30:37 AM
I'm not generally a fan of hot beverages.
No hot cider or hot chocolate?
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Gamplayerx on February 14, 2007, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: DownSouth on February 14, 2007, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on February 14, 2007, 11:30:37 AM
I'm not generally a fan of hot beverages.
No hot cider or hot chocolate?
Not so much. 
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: DownSouth on February 14, 2007, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on February 14, 2007, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: DownSouth on February 14, 2007, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: Gamplayerx on February 14, 2007, 11:30:37 AM
I'm not generally a fan of hot beverages.
No hot cider or hot chocolate?
Not so much. 
commie
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 01:02:57 PM
Cider is gross.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: DownSouth on February 14, 2007, 01:09:37 PM
You're gross!
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: JJ on February 14, 2007, 08:21:29 PM
Quote from: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 01:02:57 PM
Cider is gross.

OK what's not gross then, if beer and cider and 99% of the world are gross?
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 08:24:46 PM
Things that are not gross:

Rum
Kitty Cats
Pizza
Melty Cheese
Gamp and Beefy
Godiva Chocolate
Diet Coke (with or without caffeine)
Hormel Chicken and Rice (see yesterday's thread)
Freshly Bathed Babies
LL Cool J
Puppy Breath
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 08:26:53 PM
Rosario Dawson is not gross.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Jessie on February 14, 2007, 08:30:02 PM
Quote from: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 08:26:53 PM
Rosario Dawson is not gross.
Agreed.

Neither is Bruce Willis.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Alice on February 14, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
I'm going to go stand in the corner, along with all the other gross kids.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Beefy on February 14, 2007, 08:50:40 PM
Quote from: Alice on February 14, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
I'm going to go stand in the corner, along with all the other gross kids.

You're far from gross.  You just have questionable taste in beverages.   ;D
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: BigDun on February 14, 2007, 09:18:14 PM
I am having hot cider with a dash of rum and peach schnapps, stirred with cinnamon stick. One of the more perfect beverages on a cold and blustery night. Bring it on Nor'easter!
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: Bishamonten on February 14, 2007, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: Alice on February 14, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
I'm going to go stand in the corner, along with all the other gross kids.

*horks a snot rocket*  Welcome back.
Title: Re: Yerba Mate
Post by: dazie on February 15, 2007, 08:56:23 AM
Quote from: Alice on February 14, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
I'm going to go stand in the corner, along with all the other gross kids.

me too evidently.   :'(