Review: The Aristocrats

[Beefy]

Did I laugh from the very start to the very finish?  No.

Was every version of the joke told funny?  No.

Was it edited with a chainsaw?  Apparently.

Did I still laugh louder and harder during this film than I have at anything else in a good long time?  Yes.

Does this film legitimize and encourage the type of behavior I tend to dwell in on Junto?  Oh yes.  Be afraid.

Can I count 30 different things I want to do to Sarah Silverman?  31, even.

Is Bob Saget is the greatest person on the face of the planet?  Looks possible.

Is any topic taboo when it comes to laughs.  No.  BIG NO.

Did anyone walk out during the film?  Yeah, we think we saw two go.

Do they go places that you just don't think they'll go, subject wise?  That's the point, kind of.

The cool thing is how you learn what makes a joke funny.  Who delivers it... how it is delivered... do punchlines even need to exist?  It's a dissection of the comedic process dealing specifically with one joke and how it has evolved with new tellers and as society shifts in what is considered socially inappropriate.

Is there another film with anywhere near this level of profanity?  Nope.

Should people who are easily offended go see it?  Yeah, you overly sensitive motherfucking shitbags.

Oh, and Jessie... they briefly discuss felching.

[Beefy]

Oh, be sure to stay all the way through the credits, for one last surprise cameo and one of the funniest disclaimers to ever get put on a film.

[eo000]

Silverman will be on the comedy central roast of pam anderson at 10.


just letting you know, cause you're a fan of her and shit.

[Gamplayerx]

I've heard that Beefy is a huge fan of shit.

I really want to see this movie.  I wonder what the theater to DVD time frame is running now.

[VikingJuice]

Silverman will be on the comedy central roast of pam anderson at 10.


just letting you know, cause you're a fan of her and shit.

Beefy was drooling on her in the movie this afternoon but I think he's exercising instead of watching Comedy Central.  She looks good in that sheer green outfit tonight.

[Jessie]

I'd like to see this.

I watched most of the Pam Anderson roast.  I wanted to crawl under my couch when that one dude told Courtney Love that she looked worse that Kurt Cobain.

[eo000]

I'd like to see this.

I watched most of the Pam Anderson roast.  I wanted to crawl under my couch when that one dude told Courtney Love that she looked worse that Kurt Cobain.

yeah, it got quiet for the rest of his bit.

[ursus]

I'd like to see this.

I watched most of the Pam Anderson roast.  I wanted to crawl under my couch when that one dude told Courtney Love that she looked worse that Kurt Cobain.

yeah, it got quiet for the rest of his bit.

Why? That is truly fucking funny. Love is the worlds most  overhyped crack whore, we're supposed to treat her like royalty now?

[Jessie]

I'd like to see this.

I watched most of the Pam Anderson roast.  I wanted to crawl under my couch when that one dude told Courtney Love that she looked worse that Kurt Cobain.

yeah, it got quiet for the rest of his bit.

Why? That is truly fucking funny. Love is the worlds most  overhyped crack whore, we're supposed to treat her like royalty now?

It was totally awkward.  Crackwhore or not, it was over the line.  I'm hard to offend, but it really made me wince.  Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if any of his jokes were funny.

[ursus]

I'd like to see this.

I watched most of the Pam Anderson roast.  I wanted to crawl under my couch when that one dude told Courtney Love that she looked worse that Kurt Cobain.

yeah, it got quiet for the rest of his bit.

Why? That is truly fucking funny. Love is the worlds most  overhyped crack whore, we're supposed to treat her like royalty now?

It was totally awkward. Crackwhore or not, it was over the line. I'm hard to offend, but it really made me wince. Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if any of his jokes were funny.

We don't have cable, so I guess I should see the clip in context. Wasn't it a roast? Sometimes you go for the jugular.

[Jessie]

I'd like to see this.

I watched most of the Pam Anderson roast.  I wanted to crawl under my couch when that one dude told Courtney Love that she looked worse that Kurt Cobain.

yeah, it got quiet for the rest of his bit.

Why? That is truly fucking funny. Love is the worlds most  overhyped crack whore, we're supposed to treat her like royalty now?

It was totally awkward. Crackwhore or not, it was over the line. I'm hard to offend, but it really made me wince. Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if any of his jokes were funny.

We don't have cable, so I guess I should see the clip in context. Wasn't it a roast? Sometimes you go for the jugular.

It was a roast, and there were plenty of 'you're a dirty whore, Pam Anderson' jokes, and 'you're a crackwhore, Courtney' that gave you the appropriate level of awkwardness for a roast, but his set was just tasteless.  I guess it's all subjective, and there's no clear line to go over, but in my mind, and apparently the minds of the entire cast and audience, he crossed it.

[ursus]

I'd like to see this.

I watched most of the Pam Anderson roast.  I wanted to crawl under my couch when that one dude told Courtney Love that she looked worse that Kurt Cobain.

yeah, it got quiet for the rest of his bit.

Why? That is truly fucking funny. Love is the worlds most  overhyped crack whore, we're supposed to treat her like royalty now?

It was totally awkward. Crackwhore or not, it was over the line. I'm hard to offend, but it really made me wince. Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if any of his jokes were funny.

We don't have cable, so I guess I should see the clip in context. Wasn't it a roast? Sometimes you go for the jugular.

It was a roast, and there were plenty of 'you're a dirty whore, Pam Anderson' jokes, and 'you're a crackwhore, Courtney' that gave you the appropriate level of awkwardness for a roast, but his set was just tasteless. I guess it's all subjective, and there's no clear line to go over, but in my mind, and apparently the minds of the entire cast and audience, he crossed it.

S'Ok, I tend to go out of my way to make tasteless remarks where Cobain and Love are concerned. I reallllyy don't groove on either of them, he was a loser and she is wasting oxygen my children could use...

[Jessie]

I'd like to see this.

I watched most of the Pam Anderson roast.  I wanted to crawl under my couch when that one dude told Courtney Love that she looked worse that Kurt Cobain.

yeah, it got quiet for the rest of his bit.

Why? That is truly fucking funny. Love is the worlds most  overhyped crack whore, we're supposed to treat her like royalty now?

It was totally awkward. Crackwhore or not, it was over the line. I'm hard to offend, but it really made me wince. Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if any of his jokes were funny.

We don't have cable, so I guess I should see the clip in context. Wasn't it a roast? Sometimes you go for the jugular.

It was a roast, and there were plenty of 'you're a dirty whore, Pam Anderson' jokes, and 'you're a crackwhore, Courtney' that gave you the appropriate level of awkwardness for a roast, but his set was just tasteless. I guess it's all subjective, and there's no clear line to go over, but in my mind, and apparently the minds of the entire cast and audience, he crossed it.

S'Ok, I tend to go out of my way to make tasteless remarks where Cobain and Love are concerned. I reallllyy don't groove on either of them, he was a loser and she is wasting oxygen my children could use...

I think he changed the face of music forever. 

He certainly lost the battle to his demons in his personal life.  I guess that you could call him a loser for that. 

She's simply insane.  I don't really pity her for her problems, but saying something that clearly referenced her husband's looks after shooting himself with a shotgun...yikes.

[ursus]

I'd like to see this.

I watched most of the Pam Anderson roast.  I wanted to crawl under my couch when that one dude told Courtney Love that she looked worse that Kurt Cobain.

yeah, it got quiet for the rest of his bit.

Why? That is truly fucking funny. Love is the worlds most  overhyped crack whore, we're supposed to treat her like royalty now?

It was totally awkward. Crackwhore or not, it was over the line. I'm hard to offend, but it really made me wince. Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if any of his jokes were funny.

We don't have cable, so I guess I should see the clip in context. Wasn't it a roast? Sometimes you go for the jugular.

It was a roast, and there were plenty of 'you're a dirty whore, Pam Anderson' jokes, and 'you're a crackwhore, Courtney' that gave you the appropriate level of awkwardness for a roast, but his set was just tasteless. I guess it's all subjective, and there's no clear line to go over, but in my mind, and apparently the minds of the entire cast and audience, he crossed it.

S'Ok, I tend to go out of my way to make tasteless remarks where Cobain and Love are concerned. I reallllyy don't groove on either of them, he was a loser and she is wasting oxygen my children could use...

I think he changed the face of music forever.

He certainly lost the battle to his demons in his personal life. I guess that you could call him a loser for that.

She's simply insane. I don't really pity her for her problems, but saying something that clearly referenced her husband's looks after shooting himself with a shotgun...yikes.

I would disagree with the impact of Cobain and Nirvana on music as music. He/they certainly did jumpstart a moribund record industry.

[ReBurn]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

[Jessie]

I'd like to see this.

I watched most of the Pam Anderson roast.  I wanted to crawl under my couch when that one dude told Courtney Love that she looked worse that Kurt Cobain.

yeah, it got quiet for the rest of his bit.

Why? That is truly fucking funny. Love is the worlds most  overhyped crack whore, we're supposed to treat her like royalty now?

It was totally awkward. Crackwhore or not, it was over the line. I'm hard to offend, but it really made me wince. Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if any of his jokes were funny.

We don't have cable, so I guess I should see the clip in context. Wasn't it a roast? Sometimes you go for the jugular.

It was a roast, and there were plenty of 'you're a dirty whore, Pam Anderson' jokes, and 'you're a crackwhore, Courtney' that gave you the appropriate level of awkwardness for a roast, but his set was just tasteless. I guess it's all subjective, and there's no clear line to go over, but in my mind, and apparently the minds of the entire cast and audience, he crossed it.

S'Ok, I tend to go out of my way to make tasteless remarks where Cobain and Love are concerned. I reallllyy don't groove on either of them, he was a loser and she is wasting oxygen my children could use...

I think he changed the face of music forever.

He certainly lost the battle to his demons in his personal life. I guess that you could call him a loser for that.

She's simply insane. I don't really pity her for her problems, but saying something that clearly referenced her husband's looks after shooting himself with a shotgun...yikes.

I would disagree with the impact of Cobain and Nirvana on music as music. He/they certainly did jumpstart a moribund record industry.

I think it'd be hard to deny that they changed the tone of music and brought out a new generation of bands, doing away with the glam rock of the 80's.  You don't have to like them, but I think you have to admit that they had that effect.

I personally see Kurt Cobain as someone who was painfully honest in his music, who didn't want to get where he got, and buckled under the pressure.  I don't see him as a hero or anything like that, but I think that he was a groundbreaker.

[Jessie]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective.  I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people).  I couldn't take my eyes off the screen.  It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

[ReBurn]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective.  I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people).  I couldn't take my eyes off the screen.  It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

My sister-in-law wore teen spirit when she was a teenager.  That deodorant was so bad that when she would sweat it smelled like someone poured beer on her.

[Jessie]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective.  I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people).  I couldn't take my eyes off the screen.  It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

My sister-in-law wore teen spirit when she was a teenager.  That deodorant was so bad that when she would sweat it smelled like someone poured beer on her.

Haha!  I never used that crap, even as a teen I knew that was just stupid marketing.

[ursus]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Music (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

[ReBurn]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

Same here about judging lyrics.  After all of those years of piano lessons with that tyrannical old woman I tend to totally disregard the lyrics of a song and concentrate on the music itself.  In that respect Nirvana was absolutely no different from any of the other Seattle grunge bands. 

That's why I don't listen to tons of new music.  None of it is really all that original any more.  It's all about the formula for selling records.  The best music comes from the indie artists that you never hear from, which I find sad.

[ursus]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

Same here about judging lyrics. After all of those years of piano lessons with that tyrannical old woman I tend to totally disregard the lyrics of a song and concentrate on the music itself. In that respect Nirvana was absolutely no different from any of the other Seattle grunge bands.

That's why I don't listen to tons of new music. None of it is really all that original any more. It's all about the formula for selling records. The best music comes from the indie artists that you never hear from, which I find sad.

I listen to jazz (read be-bop, not that "smooth" stuff) and mostly avoid the whole thing...

[Jessie]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

I don't like Pearl Jam that much, mostly because Eddie Vedder just rubs me the wrong way.  I think that SLTS opened the door, but Pearl Jam and Soundgarden and others were certainly right there with them, coming through at the same time.

I'm usually the same way re:  lyrics vs music.  I tend to listen to the song as a whole, without disecting the lyrics.  Sometimes, though, I do pay attention to it all, and sometimes I notice that the writer was really saying something.  It's not necessarily something that will change the world, but sometimes it's a real glimpse into their head and their pain or happiness.

Usually, though, I like stuff that I just enjoy listening to.  

[cnamon]

I saw it and when the topic of felch came up, I thought warmly of Jessie too.

Sarah Silverman, the mime, and Bob Saget were the best, I thought.

Junto is about to get a little dirrrtier.

The best part of the roast was Bea Arthur reading parts of Star Struck.

[Jessie]

I saw it and when the topic of felch came up, I thought warmly of Jessie too.

Sarah Silverman, the mime, and Bob Saget were the best, I thought.

Junto is about to get a little dirrrtier.

The best part of the roast was Bea Arthur reading parts of Star Struck.

Absolutely.  Bea Arthur talking about anal sex:  It just doesn't get any better than that.

[ReBurn]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

Same here about judging lyrics. After all of those years of piano lessons with that tyrannical old woman I tend to totally disregard the lyrics of a song and concentrate on the music itself. In that respect Nirvana was absolutely no different from any of the other Seattle grunge bands.

That's why I don't listen to tons of new music. None of it is really all that original any more. It's all about the formula for selling records. The best music comes from the indie artists that you never hear from, which I find sad.

I listen to jazz (read be-bop, not that "smooth" stuff) and mostly avoid the whole thing...

I think that it takes a true artisan to really "get" jazz.  To be able to put a finger on that "thing" that is going on behind the music is really difficult for me.  To be able to play it really takes a true artisan.

[ursus]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

Same here about judging lyrics. After all of those years of piano lessons with that tyrannical old woman I tend to totally disregard the lyrics of a song and concentrate on the music itself. In that respect Nirvana was absolutely no different from any of the other Seattle grunge bands.

That's why I don't listen to tons of new music. None of it is really all that original any more. It's all about the formula for selling records. The best music comes from the indie artists that you never hear from, which I find sad.

I listen to jazz (read be-bop, not that "smooth" stuff) and mostly avoid the whole thing...

I think that it takes a true artisan to really "get" jazz.  To be able to put a finger on that "thing" that is going on behind the music is really difficult for me.  To be able to play it really takes a true artisan.

Bunches of people feel that way. And some of it is hard to listen to 'cuz they player(s) want to be snotty. But when they use it in commercials on network TV lots of people snap their fingers and smile with all of us snobs. My favorite form of music has some image/perception problems...

[Jessie]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

Same here about judging lyrics. After all of those years of piano lessons with that tyrannical old woman I tend to totally disregard the lyrics of a song and concentrate on the music itself. In that respect Nirvana was absolutely no different from any of the other Seattle grunge bands.

That's why I don't listen to tons of new music. None of it is really all that original any more. It's all about the formula for selling records. The best music comes from the indie artists that you never hear from, which I find sad.

I listen to jazz (read be-bop, not that "smooth" stuff) and mostly avoid the whole thing...

I think that it takes a true artisan to really "get" jazz.  To be able to put a finger on that "thing" that is going on behind the music is really difficult for me.  To be able to play it really takes a true artisan.

I feel that way about Bluegrass.  Seriously.

I've yet to see another genre of music that exceeds the difficulty level of playing Bluegrass.  There may be some equal, but I don't know of any that require more talent.

[ursus]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

Same here about judging lyrics. After all of those years of piano lessons with that tyrannical old woman I tend to totally disregard the lyrics of a song and concentrate on the music itself. In that respect Nirvana was absolutely no different from any of the other Seattle grunge bands.

That's why I don't listen to tons of new music. None of it is really all that original any more. It's all about the formula for selling records. The best music comes from the indie artists that you never hear from, which I find sad.

I listen to jazz (read be-bop, not that "smooth" stuff) and mostly avoid the whole thing...

I think that it takes a true artisan to really "get" jazz.  To be able to put a finger on that "thing" that is going on behind the music is really difficult for me.  To be able to play it really takes a true artisan.

I feel that way about Bluegrass.  Seriously.

I've yet to see another genre of music that exceeds the difficulty level of playing Bluegrass.  There may be some equal, but I don't know of any that require more talent.

Depends on the instrument. BG bass tends toward simple, jazz is tougher. Mandolin is tough because its so small, the parts are generally fialy easy. Five string banjo, any trombone and any piano are tough, tough, tough.
And for the record, I dig Flatt & Scruggs...

[Jessie]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

Same here about judging lyrics. After all of those years of piano lessons with that tyrannical old woman I tend to totally disregard the lyrics of a song and concentrate on the music itself. In that respect Nirvana was absolutely no different from any of the other Seattle grunge bands.

That's why I don't listen to tons of new music. None of it is really all that original any more. It's all about the formula for selling records. The best music comes from the indie artists that you never hear from, which I find sad.

I listen to jazz (read be-bop, not that "smooth" stuff) and mostly avoid the whole thing...

I think that it takes a true artisan to really "get" jazz.  To be able to put a finger on that "thing" that is going on behind the music is really difficult for me.  To be able to play it really takes a true artisan.

I feel that way about Bluegrass.  Seriously.

I've yet to see another genre of music that exceeds the difficulty level of playing Bluegrass.  There may be some equal, but I don't know of any that require more talent.

Depends on the instrument. BG bass tends toward simple, jazz is tougher. Mandolin is tough because its so small, the parts are generally fialy easy. Five string banjo, any trombone and any piano are tough, tough, tough.
And for the record, I dig Flatt & Scruggs...

Mandolin, banjo and bluegrass guitar are amazingly difficult.  The speed that those guys (and girls) play...wow.  If you've never seen a good bluegrass band live, GO.  I guarantee that you'll leave awestruck.

[ReBurn]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

Same here about judging lyrics. After all of those years of piano lessons with that tyrannical old woman I tend to totally disregard the lyrics of a song and concentrate on the music itself. In that respect Nirvana was absolutely no different from any of the other Seattle grunge bands.

That's why I don't listen to tons of new music. None of it is really all that original any more. It's all about the formula for selling records. The best music comes from the indie artists that you never hear from, which I find sad.

I listen to jazz (read be-bop, not that "smooth" stuff) and mostly avoid the whole thing...

I think that it takes a true artisan to really "get" jazz.  To be able to put a finger on that "thing" that is going on behind the music is really difficult for me.  To be able to play it really takes a true artisan.

I feel that way about Bluegrass.  Seriously.

I've yet to see another genre of music that exceeds the difficulty level of playing Bluegrass.  There may be some equal, but I don't know of any that require more talent.

Depends on the instrument. BG bass tends toward simple, jazz is tougher. Mandolin is tough because its so small, the parts are generally fialy easy. Five string banjo, any trombone and any piano are tough, tough, tough.
And for the record, I dig Flatt & Scruggs...

Mandolin, banjo and bluegrass guitar are amazingly difficult.  The speed that those guys (and girls) play...wow.  If you've never seen a good bluegrass band live, GO.  I guarantee that you'll leave awestruck.

If not somewhat twangy

[BigDun]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

Same here about judging lyrics. After all of those years of piano lessons with that tyrannical old woman I tend to totally disregard the lyrics of a song and concentrate on the music itself. In that respect Nirvana was absolutely no different from any of the other Seattle grunge bands.

That's why I don't listen to tons of new music. None of it is really all that original any more. It's all about the formula for selling records. The best music comes from the indie artists that you never hear from, which I find sad.

I listen to jazz (read be-bop, not that "smooth" stuff) and mostly avoid the whole thing...

I think that it takes a true artisan to really "get" jazz.  To be able to put a finger on that "thing" that is going on behind the music is really difficult for me.  To be able to play it really takes a true artisan.

I feel that way about Bluegrass.  Seriously.

I've yet to see another genre of music that exceeds the difficulty level of playing Bluegrass.  There may be some equal, but I don't know of any that require more talent.

Depends on the instrument. BG bass tends toward simple, jazz is tougher. Mandolin is tough because its so small, the parts are generally fialy easy. Five string banjo, any trombone and any piano are tough, tough, tough.
And for the record, I dig Flatt & Scruggs...

Mandolin, banjo and bluegrass guitar are amazingly difficult.  The speed that those guys (and girls) play...wow.  If you've never seen a good bluegrass band live, GO.  I guarantee that you'll leave awestruck.

If not somewhat twangy

Kind of like licking a 9volt battery.

[ursus]

Nirvana sucked almost as bad as CAKE.  That's just my opinion.  At least they had MTV.

Pffft.

Of course, all taste in music is subjective. I'm not speaking as to the quality of their music necessarily, but their impact on the music scene of the time.

I remember the first time I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit (yes, I know they had plenty of music before that, but I didn't know of them until that song, much like the majority of people). I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It was completely different than anything I'd ever seen.

Well put. I tend to think that Pearl Jam had more impact, but they (as a band) hated the press. They tend to get forgotten. And I agree about the impact, the record industry was in about the same shape then as it's in now.

Musically (to me) is a fairly specific set of issues, lyric content is another matter. I feel totally unable to judge lyrics, I haven't paid attention to them (except for Ben Folds) since Earth, Wind and Fire released "Faces"...

Same here about judging lyrics. After all of those years of piano lessons with that tyrannical old woman I tend to totally disregard the lyrics of a song and concentrate on the music itself. In that respect Nirvana was absolutely no different from any of the other Seattle grunge bands.

That's why I don't listen to tons of new music. None of it is really all that original any more. It's all about the formula for selling records. The best music comes from the indie artists that you never hear from, which I find sad.

I listen to jazz (read be-bop, not that "smooth" stuff) and mostly avoid the whole thing...

I think that it takes a true artisan to really "get" jazz.  To be able to put a finger on that "thing" that is going on behind the music is really difficult for me.  To be able to play it really takes a true artisan.

I feel that way about Bluegrass.  Seriously.

I've yet to see another genre of music that exceeds the difficulty level of playing Bluegrass.  There may be some equal, but I don't know of any that require more talent.

Depends on the instrument. BG bass tends toward simple, jazz is tougher. Mandolin is tough because its so small, the parts are generally fialy easy. Five string banjo, any trombone and any piano are tough, tough, tough.
And for the record, I dig Flatt & Scruggs...

Mandolin, banjo and bluegrass guitar are amazingly difficult.  The speed that those guys (and girls) play...wow.  If you've never seen a good bluegrass band live, GO.  I guarantee that you'll leave awestruck.

If not somewhat twangy

Kind of like licking a 9volt battery.

I'd love to go, I just don't know where to go after the show to get possum...

[ursus]

...or muskrat...

[ReBurn]

...or muskrat...

That's easy.  Jessie's house.

[ursus]

...or squirrel...



ohhh shit, sorry DC...

[Jessie]

Squirrel is actually kinda good.

[ReBurn]

Squirrel is actually kinda good.

See what I mean?

[eo000]

oh, and there were tons of bea arthur has a cock, and andy dick has a vagina jokes. those were pretty funny.

[Beefy]

[cnamon]

That is not a good picture of her.  But she is very pretty.

[Jessie]

I wouldn't fuck Bea Arthur's dick with Andy Dick's vagina.

I liked that one.

[dazie]

I had such a good idea last night.  I was going to put Beefy's head on Jack Black's body in the attached pic.  It would have been funny.

Alas- I have no Photoshop thanks to my incompetent computer guy.

So just imagine it in your head.  It's funny.

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[Beefy]

On the topic of Kurt Cobain:

People think KC's importance comes from his body of work as a musician.  This has some merit, but is arguable.  His music was certainly responsible for ushering in a new wave of rawer, more genuinely emotional rock and roll after more than a decade of pop plasticity.  A lot of the more sludgy aspects of Nirvana's music was clearly in direct response to all that shallowness.

Where his real value was, which most people missed, was that he was a spokesperson for an entire generation who until that moment didn't feel like it had a voice.  It was angry and uninterested and angsty and there was no room in popular society for it until Nirvana can screaming in with a sharp sound and wailingly honest emotion.  The tragedy of his death was that it was indicative of how a very large portion of modern youth at the time felt, but the older generation completely missed that.  His biggest importance was as a representative of a larger collective.  Something Kurt knew he had become, even though he did not like the mantle (of course he didn't).

When Kurt wasn't miserable he was capable of some really excellent songwriting.  When he was happy he managed some truly amazing musical moments.  Nirvana's Unplugged performance is a good example of this.  Despite it being for MTV, it gave Kurt an opportunity for his songwriting to really come forward, as well as a chance to share and promote some of his influences.

I've often wondered what the real follow up to Nevermind sounded like.  The one Kurt scrapped when the label scolded him for making too 'down' of a record, so he made one even worse.

I saw Nirvana play the Roseland in NYC on their last tour.  The show was very much like Cobain's personality - loud, raw, unhappy, and honest.  It was both tragic to watch and yet wonderful.  That was the last show I ever "moshed" at.

I don't think you have to like Cobain's music to see the significance he had in our pop culture.

[Listener]

Is Bob Saget is the greatest person on the face of the planet?  Looks possible.

I have seen Bob Saget do stand-up, and I have two words:  Fucking.  Awesome.

Imagine the speed with which Eddie Izzard does comedy.  Now make him about 50,000 times dirtier, American, and not a cross-dresser.  And taller.  That about covers it.

[eo000]

Is Bob Saget is the greatest person on the face of the planet?  Looks possible.

I have seen Bob Saget do stand-up, and I have two words:  Fucking.  Awesome.

Imagine the speed with which Eddie Izzard does comedy.  Now make him about 50,000 times dirtier, American, and not a cross-dresser.  And taller.  That about covers it.

with or without heels?

[Infobahn]

Is Bob Saget is the greatest person on the face of the planet? Looks possible.

I have seen Bob Saget do stand-up, and I have two words: Fucking. Awesome.

Imagine the speed with which Eddie Izzard does comedy. Now make him about 50,000 times dirtier, American, and not a cross-dresser. And taller. That about covers it.

with or without heels?

without

[Jessie]

On the topic of Kurt Cobain:

People think KC's importance comes from his body of work as a musician.  This has some merit, but is arguable.  His music was certainly responsible for ushering in a new wave of rawer, more genuinely emotional rock and roll after more than a decade of pop plasticity.  A lot of the more sludgy aspects of Nirvana's music was clearly in direct response to all that shallowness.

Where his real value was, which most people missed, was that he was a spokesperson for an entire generation who until that moment didn't feel like it had a voice.  It was angry and uninterested and angsty and there was no room in popular society for it until Nirvana can screaming in with a sharp sound and wailingly honest emotion.  The tragedy of his death was that it was indicative of how a very large portion of modern youth at the time felt, but the older generation completely missed that.  His biggest importance was as a representative of a larger collective.  Something Kurt knew he had become, even though he did not like the mantle (of course he didn't).

When Kurt wasn't miserable he was capable of some really excellent songwriting.  When he was happy he managed some truly amazing musical moments.  Nirvana's Unplugged performance is a good example of this.  Despite it being for MTV, it gave Kurt an opportunity for his songwriting to really come forward, as well as a chance to share and promote some of his influences.

I've often wondered what the real follow up to Nevermind sounded like.  The one Kurt scrapped when the label scolded him for making too 'down' of a record, so he made one even worse.

I saw Nirvana play the Roseland in NYC on their last tour.  The show was very much like Cobain's personality - loud, raw, unhappy, and honest.  It was both tragic to watch and yet wonderful.  That was the last show I ever "moshed" at.

I don't think you have to like Cobain's music to see the significance he had in our pop culture.

You nailed it, Beefy. 

Watching that Unplugged now, knowing how close he was to suicide at the time... it makes me almost cry.  That was hands down the best Unplugged ever.  It was so raw and real and amazing.

[Listener]

Is Bob Saget is the greatest person on the face of the planet?  Looks possible.

I have seen Bob Saget do stand-up, and I have two words:  Fucking.  Awesome.

Imagine the speed with which Eddie Izzard does comedy.  Now make him about 50,000 times dirtier, American, and not a cross-dresser.  And taller.  That about covers it.

with or without heels?

Without.

[dazie]

Guess what's playing at Liberty Hall now... 

[ignom]

Guess what's playing at Liberty Hall now... 

The Transporter 2?

[dazie]

Guess what's playing at Liberty Hall now... 

The Transporter 2?

You know, every time you post, I imagine the guy in your avatar is the one talking. 

[ignom]

Guess what's playing at Liberty Hall now... 

The Transporter 2?

You know, every time you post, I imagine the guy in your avatar is the one talking. 

In your mind, does he always talk like he's really annoyed the way he looks in that picture?

[dazie]

Guess what's playing at Liberty Hall now... 

The Transporter 2?

You know, every time you post, I imagine the guy in your avatar is the one talking. 

In your mind, does he always talk like he's really annoyed the way he looks in that picture?

No, more like a cross between Arthur Dent and the guy he played in Love Actually.  Kind of the bumbling, stammering Brit stereotype.

[Beefy]

Guess what's playing at Liberty Hall now... 

[ignom]

Guess what's playing at Liberty Hall now... 

Luke Wilson in Rambo 4?

[vampirepenguin]

Thought the film was down right hillarious in parts, but dragged a bit in others... I don't recall anyone walking out of the theatre... but I wasn't really watching either. :-D Sugar_grrl invented a lame ass joke,.. obviously inspired by the aristocats... you should ask her to tell it

[sugar_grrl]

Obviously, no one is asking....so...NO JOKE FOR YOU!

[cnamon]

Tell the joke!  Pretty please??

Hey!  VP is a Oreo, too! 

[Infobahn]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/aristocrats/showtimes.php

Look for the "South Park" clip.  That will tell the Joke.  The joke varies, wildly, but is the basic premise.

[Jessie]

Tell the joke!  Pretty please??

Hey!  VP is a Oreo, too! 

Does she get mushy if you dip her in milk?

[sugar_grrl]

Tell the joke!  Pretty please??

Hey!  VP is a Oreo, too! 

It's not really funny unless you know the Aristocracts joke...and like VP said...it's pretty lame...but cn is having a day...so here goes...oh...and like the Aristocrats joke, it's sorta disgusting....

A guy walks into a Starbucks and orders a drink.  The cashier calls the order back to a feline who is working at the expresso machine.  The cat nods, takes the cup, shits in it, pisses in it, does one of those little kitty sprays in it, drinks it, vomits what he just drank back into the cup, coughs up a harball and spits it into the drink, puts a lid on it and gives it to the customer.  The man (having witnessed all of this) is furious.  He shouts at the cashier, "That's insane!  I'm reporting this to the manager!  What is that cat's name?"  "Him?" the cashier queries gesturing to the feline licking his ass.  "He's the BARISTACAT!"

*du dum CHING*

[vampirepenguin]

Tell the joke!  Pretty please??

Hey!  VP is a Oreo, too! 

Does she get mushy if you dip her in milk?

A big Oreo style shout out to Cnamon!! You know what they say.."Oreos do it with a twist!"  As for the milk... sad but true.. we get all mushy... so we just avoid bovine secretions.

[beatle919]

Is Bob Saget is the greatest person on the face of the planet?  Looks possible.

I have seen Bob Saget do stand-up, and I have two words:  Fucking.  Awesome.

Jaysus!  I'm jealous.  I went to see him once, and they had a change of plans (in other words...different comedians).
Oh, it made me bitter.  I would be much more content if you said he sucked major dick.  I KNEW i'd missed out.

Tonight, I'm going to see the Aristocrats!  I've been dyin' to see it...

[Beefy]

As a matter of fact, this is out on DVD today.

[Beefy]

http://www.youtube.com/v/x8wOTcv5E38

[VikingJuice]

http://www.youtube.com/v/x8wOTcv5E38

That hasn't even hit the air yet.  I think it's scheduled for next week.  Funny shit.  Leave it to Godfreid.

[eo000]

I love Gilbert.